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welcome to just energy radio with your

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host naturopath and medical intuitive dr

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rita louise

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we have learned from einstein's theory

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that matter and energy are one

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physicists believe that all systems in

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nature have their own particular way of

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vibrating from the swinging of a

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pendulum to the waves of the ocean to

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the light that brightens the sky each

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day each of these oscillates at its own

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unique rate the same holds true for

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every thought feeling event or word we

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speak each has its own frequency or rate

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of vibration what many of us don't

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realize is when we take everything in

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our universe down to its simplest form

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it is all just energy

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join dr rita louise on a journey through

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time and space where past present and

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future collide

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today what you believe may be called

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into question what we want to know is

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who made up the rules

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be brave and step outside the box we are

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about to turn our world upside down and

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venture into the unknown

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hold on we are departing our own beliefs

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and entering alternative realms

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hello and welcome to just energy radio

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about are you a 21st century man

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let me tell you a little bit about barry

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i think it's going to be interesting

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conversation we're going to have so men

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i hope you're prepared

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barry weinhold is professor emeritus

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emreetus

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at the university of colorado at

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colorado springs he was the founder of

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the master's counseling and human

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services program at uccs

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he has also been a licensed psychologist

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in private practice for 38 years he

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specializes in working with adult male

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clients

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currently barrie services

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serves as the co-director of the

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colorado institute of conflict

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resolution and creative leadership a

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501c3 educational nonprofit organization

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in colorado springs so please welcome

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the author of

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the male mother

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barry whiteholtz hey barry how are you

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doing i'm doing great rita good to talk

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with you this morning well and it's

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great having you back on the show but i

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have to ask you we're going to be

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talking about i'm going to put this in

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quotes the male mother

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i you know i can just

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feel my male audience members going you

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know their skin going

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huh

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what what

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so talk to me about it what do you mean

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by the the male mother well the term

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actually uh was initiated initially uh

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came from robert bly

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and his book iron john

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back in i think his early 90s he wrote

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about this he didn't write a lot about

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it but he talked about how men in our

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culture didn't really get initiated very

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and they go into adulthood without good

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role models about what it's like to be a

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and so he suggested that they need

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mentors uh in the form of male mothers

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older men who could

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mentor younger men well i kind of liked

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that idea but i thought gee you know

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i've worked with fathers for many years

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i think that fathers it's not rocket

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science

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but if fathers had the skills they could

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do what bly suggested that older men had

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to do for younger men who didn't have

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that when they

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were growing up from their fathers so i

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set about

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writing a book for fathers to help them

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understand what they could do for their

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kids to give them the solid foundation

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they needed so they wouldn't need a

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mentor later to help them uh navigate uh

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adult life

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men because you're looking at obviously

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the the byproduct of a child what are

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you noticing

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i'm going to say perhaps deficient in

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them because they're not having this

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male model growing up

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well it's the fact that the models they

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do have are pretty unbalanced

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uh we have a lot of models of what

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it's like to be a man and they no longer

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fit i think you're leading about the men

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of the 21st century they want a

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different kind of model for what it's

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like to be a man in this world and

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uh it's clearly unbalanced in the form

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of too much masculinity now in our

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culture we have kind of

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uh avoided and actually condemned men

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who have developed their feminine side

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and so they are really very over

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balanced in the masculine area

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and i think that's been the cause of a

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lot of our problems and men are still

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the leaders in most of the

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institutions in the world and

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i don't think they've done a very good

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job

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i mean sorry guys we have more more wars

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and more conflicts than we've ever had

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uh it seems and i think we need a new

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model and that's what the male mother is

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in my book i talk about how

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men and you know men

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uh when they when they have a a child i

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mean they see their wife going through

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this enormous pain to give birth

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and they they are so and if they're

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really devoted fathers they're right

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there with their their uh their spouse

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or their partner giving while the that

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person that woman's giving birth and

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then after the the birth is finished

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they don't know what their role should

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be and they also feel pretty

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uh kind of insignificant after they see

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what the

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through to have to give birth and so

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they they kind of feel disenfranchised

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in a way they want to help they don't

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know what to do and so eventually they

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just sort of give up and go back to work

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isn't that the expectation in our

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society is that the the husband the

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father

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the man

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is the person that is the primary

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breadwinner of the family and that's

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kind of his contribution to the family

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dynamic that was the model and the new

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model is emerging

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young fathers

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often are opting to stay home with their

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children and have their wife work

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and there's a new model that we've not

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had before and so they uh or if they

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can't do that they want to be involved

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as equals in the raising of their

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children and i i saw that one example

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that happened this last summer that was

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very interesting uh

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daniel murphy the second baseman for the

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new york mets

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took time off in mid-season

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to be there at the birth of his child

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and to stay there and i think he took a

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week or two off

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well the sports writers just creamed him

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what is he doing you know why is he

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taking time off in the middle of the

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season to be there at the birth of his

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child why is that so significant to him

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and they they said one of them even

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suggested well why didn't they just have

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that caught the national media and there

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are a number of newscasters including

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chris hayes on all in with chris hayes

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on msnbc

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brought daniel on and he had a long

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discussion with daniel about the

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importance of fathers being there at the

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birth of their child

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every time after that

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and during the baseball season i watched

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this when uh

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he took time off

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and nobody said anything so the barrier

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has been broken at that level and i

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think that's an important kind of model

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that

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younger men need uh you know even uh in

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companies where they give paternity

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leave for fathers to take time off to be

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home with their children

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early on

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most men don't take it

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or they take one day or they take one

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day yeah

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so it's it's a it's a new emerging model

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and i'm excited that the male mother

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book

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gives fathers

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not only the skills they need but also

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helps them show helps show them how

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important it is

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to be there and and i i talk about four

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initiations that fathers

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with male mother skills have to perform

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to give their

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children the kind of foundation they

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need to lead effective lives as adults

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i can talk a lot about that so you want

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me to

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we'll we'll come back to that okay um

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yeah i think it's interesting your

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comment about

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that men are trying to create equality

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in the rearing of their children

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where women have been trying to create

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equality outside the home

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it sounds like men are trying to create

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equality

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inside the home

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exactly that's that's a great way to put

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it because that's exactly what i see

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happening

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more and more and uh

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and i i want to be able to support men i

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mean i i work with men and fathers in my

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private practice as a psychologist and

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i've talked to a lot of men

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about their role as a father and they

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i've yet to meet one father

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i was well prepared for the job of a

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father not one

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no but i don't think women are prepared

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for the job either if they're a

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first-time mom

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probably that's true but even uh even so

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uh there's no real attempt to prepare

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fathers and this book is really an

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attempt to give fathers the skills they

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need to do the job that that i think

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needs to be done i think really uh

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i look at this i'm a kind of a visionary

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so i look at things in the look of the

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big picture i think this is where we're

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stuck as a uh the human race i think

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that men just

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and women uh have

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uh

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they haven't really developed fully

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the the various aspects of who they are

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and the women have developed maybe their

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feminine side the men have developed

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their masculine side but i'm talking

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about men and women developing both

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sides

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and this is this is a jungian model carl

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jung talked a lot about this

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and he said that really people can't

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achieve

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full maturity until they've done this

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joseph campbell wrote about this in his

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book long time ago called the hero with

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a thousand faces and he talked about the

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transformational journey

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and he says at one point in the journey

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of transformation you reach what he

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called the hieroscommels which is the

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inner union of the masculine and the

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feminine the marriage of the two parts

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and when people arrive at that level

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then they are fully equipped to handle

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whatever is happening in their lives

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much more effectively

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and i think that's going to be what is

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going to spur evolution of our our of

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the human race is when

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more and more people have that kind of

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balance between the masculine and

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feminine and have it well integrated

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but it also sounds like

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if if there is the opportunity to

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balance the masculine feminine feminine

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i mean i think there are men who are are

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manly men

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and

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are men that are

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more

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uh

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emotional or

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empathic and have more of a feminine

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side to them not that they're feminine

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but a feminine side

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and it would give them permission to

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be that way and they don't have to be

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this macho man if that's not who they

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are and the same with women that's true

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i think there are a lot of women who

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operate on their male polarity

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they have they they in order to make it

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in the in the world of work they have

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adopted

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the the masculine kind of uh archetype

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and they think that's what needs to be

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they need to do in order to be

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successful well they need the feminine

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side too because we need women

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in the workplace in the boardrooms that

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can help make the decisions that really

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are uh

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decisions that as the natives said that

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affect the next seven generations or the

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next or as they call it the seven

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generations yet unborn

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and that's the kind of decision-making

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that only people who have integrated

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their masculine and feminine can make

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i mean i i you know in listening to you

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talk i have three brothers but i come

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from a very large family

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and

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i feel like they were i'm gonna say

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fairly well prepared because they all my

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brothers have younger sisters

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that they had to take care of at some

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point time change diapers you know do

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all of that kind of stuff where in a lot

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of families they

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you know that's a girl job you know and

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not something a boy would do and my mom

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was an equal

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opportunity employer of anybody that was

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standing around yeah well i had a few of

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those like i don't do windows

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when i was growing up that was one of

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and

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of course i was the oldest of three uh

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children so i was there actually my

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brother is 12 years younger than i am so

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i was there to help raise him

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from

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an infant on up and

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and i was sort of almost like a second

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parent uh

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as i was uh and when i left the cup for

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colleges uh at 18

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he was only like six at that time

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he had a complete breakdown he he just

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fell apart because his

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anchor who i i didn't realize how much

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of an anchor i was i i left

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and

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uh he recovered obviously but it was it

402
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was a very hard on him and much surprise

403
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of a surprise to everybody no one

404
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thought that

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my leaving would have such a huge effect

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on my brother but it did

407
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well it sounds like you guys had a

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pretty close bond we did yeah

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um

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why do you why do you think traditional

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roles are changing

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well that's an interesting question i i

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just think that

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it's it's i'm an optimist so i look at

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it positively i think people are getting

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awake more and aware of the limitations

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they have and they're trying to do

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something about it

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they kind of know there's a better way

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they kind of know there's some way they

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could do this

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much in a much easier way and so they're

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they're

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really looking for the resources that to

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help them improve

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do you think it's also

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i mean

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in the last

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right i'm trying to i'm going to say 50

430
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years 40 years you know there has been

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the increase obvious increase of women

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in the workforce

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and taking on more professional roles

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etc right what impact does that have on

435
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the changing dynamic of the male

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role in society

437
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well i think i hope hopefully it has had

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a positive effect and obviously some men

439
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have trouble with that

440
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uh because

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their own

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lack of

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development of their

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of

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their fullness

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and they are threatened by women who

447
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come to the workplace and and actually

448
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can do things better than they can

449
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yeah so that that is a an issue that uh

450
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i think is is part of the transition

451
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we're in right now that will smooth out

452
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eventually as more and more people uh

453
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hopefully do develop both the sides of

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their personality the feminine and the

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masculine and they integrate those

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so when they come together there's no

457
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threat there's no in fact it's seen as

458
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as oh there's more of you now that can

459
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help in this situation we need everybody

460
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to to be involved and everybody has to

461
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take uh part in in this transition we're

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in

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and just as a disclaimer if men embrace

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their feminine side it's not going to

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make them be weak or it's not going to

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make them be gay or

467
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you know anything like that right no no

468
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i i it's really an add-on it's it's a

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value-added piece

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and it enables them to be more effective

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in whatever they're doing not only as a

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father but

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as a a teacher or

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whatever as a doctor a lawyer

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a corporate

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executive whatever they're doing it

477
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helps them do a better job

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is it possible to kind of

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give a an example or kind of lay a

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scenario down of a man who has

481
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embraced this part of himself

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so that people can kind of get a feel

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for what that would look like well i

484
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think yeah there are a number of what i

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call male mother skills that fathers

486
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need to learn first of them is really to

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develop genuine

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empathy for toward their children

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particularly when their children are

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experiencing some deep feelings

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fathers aren't so good at feelings you

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know

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because they've never been taught how to

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do that

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so with some instruction

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they can learn how to relate to people

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who are in some kind of deep feeling

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state maybe they

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they fell down and got hurt and they're

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crying and they need some comfort well

501
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fathers often say well here here go to

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your mother she'll help you

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well that has to change and i think it

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can change with fathers learning a few

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skills on how to deal with people

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and have some empathy for them when

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they're in some distress

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they have to also show compassion

509
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towards their children actually even

510
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when their children might oppose their

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requests in some way to understand why

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that child might be

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have a different way of looking at

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things

515
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they have to also

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be able to look at their children as

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doing the best they can and forgive them

518
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when they fail and not get off overly

519
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judgmental about them they have to learn

520
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how to give emotional support mirroring

521
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and what i call unconditional love

522
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too often parents give what i call

523
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conditional love to their children i'll

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love you as long as you get good grades

525
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i love you as long as you

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sometimes it's fulfilled the dreams i

527
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never was able to fill

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so it becomes fairly conditional so

529
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learning how to

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do that

531
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give that love unconditionally i think i

532
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remember with my son

533
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there was something he had done that he

534
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thought was going to displease me and i

535
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said to him

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you know there's nothing you can ever do

537
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or say that will cause me to stop loving

538
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you i will love you regardless

539
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and i'm glad i said that to him because

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it gave him a sense

541
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of of security and safety that there

542
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wasn't anything he could do to

543
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destroy the love that i i was giving to

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him and i think that's the that's the

545
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kind of thing that i'm talking about you

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might kick his ass

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but you'd still love him absolutely i

548
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can i can not like what he did but i can

549
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so and then

550
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i think

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mother fathers could do is they could

552
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help create a lifestyle and model a

553
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lifestyle of life giving

554
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rather than life

555
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what do you mean by that well i think

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that

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traditionally men

558
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have been put in the role of life takers

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women have put in been put in the role

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of life-givers obviously they are

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life-givers and in many cases men have

562
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been called to go to war and they've

563
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been life takers

564
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so these are two stereotypes obviously

565
00:22:05,909 --> 00:22:04,320
it doesn't fit in every situation but i

566
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think that men

567
00:22:12,149 --> 00:22:09,039
who develop that feminine side have more

568
00:22:14,149 --> 00:22:12,159
life-giving kinds of qualities and peop

569
00:22:17,430 --> 00:22:14,159
their children pick up on those and they

570
00:22:19,990 --> 00:22:17,440
can model that for their children

571
00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:20,000
and i think this helps them grow up

572
00:22:24,070 --> 00:22:22,320
having respect for other human beings

573
00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:24,080
maybe even plants and animals and all

574
00:22:27,350 --> 00:22:25,440
the creatures

575
00:22:29,110 --> 00:22:27,360
that on our planet that are somewhat

576
00:22:30,630 --> 00:22:29,120
dependent or vulnerable

577
00:22:32,149 --> 00:22:30,640
that they don't have to

578
00:22:33,909 --> 00:22:32,159
feel like they have to

579
00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:33,919
be aggressive toward them they can be

580
00:22:37,990 --> 00:22:36,240
much more compassionate understanding

581
00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:38,000
and supportive

582
00:22:43,110 --> 00:22:40,720
i also believe that it's important that

583
00:22:45,669 --> 00:22:43,120
and carl jung said this that there's a

584
00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:45,679
wisdom of the heart that the mind never

585
00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:48,480
understands never will understand

586
00:22:53,750 --> 00:22:51,120
so i think this intuition that

587
00:22:56,149 --> 00:22:53,760
maybe women have have sometimes had

588
00:22:58,310 --> 00:22:56,159
better opportunities to develop i think

589
00:23:00,070 --> 00:22:58,320
men could develop just as well

590
00:23:02,149 --> 00:23:00,080
and so developing the wisdom of the

591
00:23:05,110 --> 00:23:02,159
heart and having intuition

592
00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:05,120
uh on their side and as another tool

593
00:23:09,750 --> 00:23:07,440
another skill will help them in every

594
00:23:12,310 --> 00:23:09,760
situation in their life not only just as

595
00:23:16,149 --> 00:23:13,990
well and it sounds like the things that

596
00:23:18,070 --> 00:23:16,159
you're talking about

597
00:23:21,830 --> 00:23:18,080
you know obviously it can be applied to

598
00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:21,840
a child but also can be applied to every

599
00:23:26,630 --> 00:23:24,000
single person on the planet in every

600
00:23:28,149 --> 00:23:26,640
relationship that you have absolutely

601
00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:28,159
yes

602
00:23:34,710 --> 00:23:30,080
you know so i mean i feel like it would

603
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:34,720
help the individual develop as a person

604
00:23:39,830 --> 00:23:36,480
oh of course i mean that's the whole

605
00:23:41,669 --> 00:23:39,840
goal is i think if we had

606
00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:41,679
two committed parents

607
00:23:45,190 --> 00:23:43,919
working together cooperatively to raise

608
00:23:47,190 --> 00:23:45,200
a child

609
00:23:50,549 --> 00:23:47,200
what a difference that would make

610
00:23:51,590 --> 00:23:50,559
in the ultimate life of that child i

611
00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:51,600
mean we're

612
00:23:54,310 --> 00:23:53,440
you're creating a foundation for the

613
00:23:55,990 --> 00:23:54,320
child

614
00:23:58,149 --> 00:23:56,000
and and if there are holes in that

615
00:23:59,590 --> 00:23:58,159
foundation they're going to fall in them

616
00:24:01,029 --> 00:23:59,600
they're going to fall in those holes as

617
00:24:01,909 --> 00:24:01,039
an adult

618
00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:01,919
but

619
00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:04,799
so if you begin to create that from the

620
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:06,320
very beginning and that's what the four

621
00:24:11,110 --> 00:24:09,200
initiations that i'm i put in the book

622
00:24:13,750 --> 00:24:11,120
are all about to help create that

623
00:24:19,750 --> 00:24:16,789
and i'm just going to ask this question

624
00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:19,760
and i'd like your opinion it seems to me

625
00:24:23,110 --> 00:24:20,720
that

626
00:24:26,149 --> 00:24:23,120
there is a number

627
00:24:27,990 --> 00:24:26,159
of parents you know and i don't know if

628
00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:28,000
i should just throw it on women or

629
00:24:32,549 --> 00:24:30,000
parents or how whatever

630
00:24:34,950 --> 00:24:32,559
that have children just because they

631
00:24:36,789 --> 00:24:34,960
think that's what they're supposed to do

632
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:36,799
absolutely yeah

633
00:24:43,110 --> 00:24:39,600
and so how does all of this fit into

634
00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:43,120
that dynamic well i think that children

635
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:45,360
deserve to be

636
00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:46,400
planned

637
00:24:49,830 --> 00:24:48,320
and wanted

638
00:24:51,909 --> 00:24:49,840
and and so

639
00:24:55,350 --> 00:24:51,919
and for the right reasons

640
00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:55,360
and i i think that a child

641
00:25:00,149 --> 00:24:57,760
with two parents who have

642
00:25:02,710 --> 00:25:00,159
you know kind of thought through why

643
00:25:04,789 --> 00:25:02,720
they want to have a child they they do

644
00:25:05,990 --> 00:25:04,799
the planning they need to do they want

645
00:25:08,549 --> 00:25:06,000
the child

646
00:25:10,310 --> 00:25:08,559
and they then are ready to they prepare

647
00:25:12,549 --> 00:25:10,320
themselves to bring that child into the

648
00:25:14,470 --> 00:25:12,559
world that's the kind of beginning that

649
00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:14,480
children need

650
00:25:17,990 --> 00:25:15,360
okay

651
00:25:20,630 --> 00:25:18,000
um which brings us kind of to another

652
00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:20,640
topic it seems today that in many

653
00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:24,080
families affect are affected by divorce

654
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:25,760
and with that

655
00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:27,600
it's the mother who

656
00:25:31,669 --> 00:25:29,360
raises the children

657
00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:31,679
um yeah and i'm sure you have a lot to

658
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:33,279
say about this and so i'm going to start

659
00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:35,760
with this are there any negative effects

660
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:38,080
about not having the father involved in

661
00:25:44,070 --> 00:25:41,520
the child's life oh god yes i mean the

662
00:25:47,350 --> 00:25:44,080
research is very clear and

663
00:25:50,310 --> 00:25:47,360
my own clinical research just shows

664
00:25:52,149 --> 00:25:50,320
the enormous problems that people have

665
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:52,159
when they don't have

666
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:54,480
either they don't have a father who's

667
00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:56,960
physically present or they have a father

668
00:26:02,950 --> 00:25:59,520
who's not emotionally present

669
00:26:05,590 --> 00:26:02,960
uh who's distant and and uh distracted

670
00:26:07,350 --> 00:26:05,600
and tired and i know my father when he

671
00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:07,360
came home he worked like two or three

672
00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:08,400
jobs

673
00:26:12,789 --> 00:26:11,120
and he'd come home my only memories of

674
00:26:15,029 --> 00:26:12,799
him for the first

675
00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:15,039
maybe six or eight years were him lying

676
00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:16,880
on the couch between

677
00:26:21,110 --> 00:26:19,200
one job or the other resting so i could

678
00:26:23,350 --> 00:26:21,120
go back to the other job

679
00:26:25,029 --> 00:26:23,360
so it it i never did get a chance to

680
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:25,039
really have much relationship with him

681
00:26:29,029 --> 00:26:27,120
until much later when when i was a

682
00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:29,039
teenager

683
00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:31,120
but what kind of impact does that have

684
00:26:37,269 --> 00:26:34,400
on the child and maybe not during their

685
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:37,279
childhood but you know even later in

686
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:40,799
life when they become adults and parents

687
00:26:44,950 --> 00:26:42,960
well children uh

688
00:26:46,149 --> 00:26:44,960
model after the behavior they see in

689
00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:46,159
their parents

690
00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:48,480
so in my case i think i became a

691
00:26:51,669 --> 00:26:49,840
workaholic

692
00:26:53,510 --> 00:26:51,679
like my father was

693
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:53,520
because that was the model i had of work

694
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:54,960
hard and

695
00:26:58,710 --> 00:26:56,880
and tire yourself out and do everything

696
00:27:02,230 --> 00:26:58,720
you can to provide for your family but

697
00:27:08,549 --> 00:27:04,390
oops

698
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:08,559
um

699
00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:10,720
you know but in those type of situations

700
00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:12,400
obviously

701
00:27:17,430 --> 00:27:14,720
you know if there is like a joint

702
00:27:19,590 --> 00:27:17,440
custody or visitation of the father can

703
00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:19,600
you still create

704
00:27:24,390 --> 00:27:21,840
that balance that you're talking about

705
00:27:25,669 --> 00:27:24,400
even if the parents aren't together

706
00:27:28,549 --> 00:27:25,679
full-time

707
00:27:29,830 --> 00:27:28,559
it's harder but yes you can

708
00:27:31,990 --> 00:27:29,840
and

709
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:32,000
you have opportunities

710
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:33,600
regardless to

711
00:27:39,830 --> 00:27:36,720
to provide that foundation uh if you're

712
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:39,840
really committed to uh co-parenting and

713
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:42,640
many parents even after they've divorced

714
00:27:47,350 --> 00:27:45,600
are still committed to co-parenting

715
00:27:49,510 --> 00:27:47,360
do you have any tips for those dads

716
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:49,520
because i think for a lot of them they

717
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:51,840
they feel kind of like a third wheel

718
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:53,760
fifth wheel you know they're they're

719
00:27:57,909 --> 00:27:55,679
just like this guy that

720
00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:57,919
the kids have to go visit well that's

721
00:28:02,950 --> 00:27:59,600
why again the book

722
00:28:04,710 --> 00:28:02,960
shows the importance of what the role of

723
00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:04,720
the father is in the lives of their

724
00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:06,399
children and i think that's an important

725
00:28:10,149 --> 00:28:07,360
thing for

726
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:10,159
fathers to understand that that they do

727
00:28:13,830 --> 00:28:12,000
have an important role even if they're

728
00:28:15,750 --> 00:28:13,840
divorced and they're only seeing the

729
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:15,760
kids on every other weekend

730
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:17,760
they still have an important role in the

731
00:28:22,950 --> 00:28:19,760
development of those child and helping

732
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:22,960
to create the foundation uh for them so

733
00:28:27,909 --> 00:28:25,360
they can have a successful

734
00:28:30,789 --> 00:28:27,919
life and so it's and it's interesting

735
00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:30,799
too the other thing advice i'd have to

736
00:28:36,070 --> 00:28:33,760
fathers is give up your guilt

737
00:28:38,389 --> 00:28:36,080
about not being perfect at this job

738
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:38,399
nobody's perfect women aren't perfect at

739
00:28:42,549 --> 00:28:40,880
being mothers and fathers aren't perfect

740
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:42,559
at being fathers

741
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:44,720
and if you don't give up your guilt and

742
00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:45,760
shame

743
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:46,799
you end up

744
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:48,320
your children are going to end up with

745
00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:50,080
more of a relationship to your guilt and

746
00:28:58,470 --> 00:28:56,950
and in what we're talking about are we

747
00:29:01,590 --> 00:28:58,480
talking about

748
00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:01,600
this is the dynamic because you want to

749
00:29:06,870 --> 00:29:04,720
empower your sons or are we talking

750
00:29:10,870 --> 00:29:06,880
equal opportunity your sons and

751
00:29:12,389 --> 00:29:10,880
daughters absolutely it applies to both

752
00:29:14,470 --> 00:29:12,399
daughters and sons

753
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:14,480
and in the book i talk about that it's

754
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:15,600
not just

755
00:29:20,710 --> 00:29:18,480
uh raising your sons it's raising

756
00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:20,720
all your children to be effective in the

757
00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:21,760
world

758
00:29:27,430 --> 00:29:23,840
and to create help create the foundation

759
00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:27,440
for them so they can do that

760
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:30,399
and if the dad's not around is it a good

761
00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:32,399
idea

762
00:29:37,909 --> 00:29:34,880
to find some kind of a

763
00:29:41,430 --> 00:29:37,919
role a male role model or you know have

764
00:29:42,549 --> 00:29:41,440
a male energy to kind of step in to take

765
00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:42,559
that role

766
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:44,320
oh that's i think that's certainly

767
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:46,320
happening in fact more and more

768
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:48,480
grandparents are ending up raising their

769
00:29:51,909 --> 00:29:51,120
their grandkids than ever before

770
00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:51,919
and

771
00:30:01,110 --> 00:29:58,880
often have a better help or better

772
00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:01,120
they can do a better job because they're

773
00:30:04,710 --> 00:30:03,600
not kind of tied in as much as parents

774
00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:04,720
are until

775
00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:07,600
uh all of the things that

776
00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:08,880
help

777
00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:10,559
actually prevent parents from being as

778
00:30:13,029 --> 00:30:11,840
effective as they could be so

779
00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:13,039
grandparents

780
00:30:15,510 --> 00:30:14,640
raising their kids

781
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:15,520
often

782
00:30:20,389 --> 00:30:18,720
are are a model that that where the

783
00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:20,399
grandfather who's had

784
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:22,480
many years of experience in life can

785
00:30:25,430 --> 00:30:24,480
take the child out into the world and

786
00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:25,440
show them

787
00:30:29,909 --> 00:30:27,200
more about how the world works and

788
00:30:31,510 --> 00:30:29,919
that's one of the four initiations that

789
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:31,520
i talk about in the book that the

790
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:33,360
fathers or grandfathers

791
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:35,440
i have to be the ones that take their

792
00:30:39,909 --> 00:30:37,760
sons and daughters out of the world and

793
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:39,919
show them how the world works

794
00:30:44,549 --> 00:30:42,720
and and help them gain mastery over

795
00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:44,559
first their everyday environment but

796
00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:46,559
then the world around them outside the

797
00:30:53,029 --> 00:30:48,880
family outside the home

798
00:30:56,070 --> 00:30:53,039
well i know like with my grandparents

799
00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:56,080
we minded them my parents you know sort

800
00:31:00,149 --> 00:30:58,000
of you know in a different kind of way

801
00:31:01,510 --> 00:31:00,159
it was yeah you know they're gonna we're

802
00:31:03,029 --> 00:31:01,520
gonna get in trouble but with my

803
00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:03,039
grandparents it was like they asked you

804
00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:05,279
to do something with like okay grandma

805
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:08,240
and you just go do it right yeah that

806
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:10,159
that seems to be happening

807
00:31:13,909 --> 00:31:12,240
uh with many people i've heard many

808
00:31:16,389 --> 00:31:13,919
stories about that that

809
00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:16,399
yeah that grandpa and grandma seem to

810
00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:18,720
have a better grasp on

811
00:31:22,870 --> 00:31:21,200
what needs to be done and also

812
00:31:24,870 --> 00:31:22,880
that they're they're sort of more

813
00:31:26,630 --> 00:31:24,880
experienced because there's a learning

814
00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:26,640
curve for young parents

815
00:31:30,549 --> 00:31:28,159
and the grandparents

816
00:31:33,510 --> 00:31:30,559
now have had the years of experience so

817
00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:33,520
they know what battles to to fight and

818
00:31:38,950 --> 00:31:36,320
which ones not to and and they don't get

819
00:31:41,350 --> 00:31:38,960
into power struggles with their their

820
00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:41,360
grandkids as parents often do

821
00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:42,880
so it's a much

822
00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:44,080
i think

823
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:47,039
it can be a very healthy situation

824
00:31:51,990 --> 00:31:48,000
good

825
00:31:52,789 --> 00:31:52,000
um do you have any general rules or tips

826
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:52,799
uh

827
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:54,240
for fathers

828
00:31:58,630 --> 00:31:56,880
that they can use to practice their male

829
00:32:01,110 --> 00:31:58,640
mothering skills

830
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:01,120
well in the book i i

831
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:03,760
have various kinds of

832
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:06,000
practice exercises for

833
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:08,320
the the reader to to

834
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:10,080
practice their empathy skills i give

835
00:32:13,110 --> 00:32:11,360
them a couple of

836
00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:13,120
little quizzes about

837
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:15,360
uh here's what's happening what do you

838
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:17,279
think the person that's

839
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:20,320
uh described here is feeling

840
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:22,240
tune into the feelings you if you can

841
00:32:27,509 --> 00:32:24,720
and so i i kind of think that it's a

842
00:32:29,909 --> 00:32:27,519
skill that you have to learn

843
00:32:32,070 --> 00:32:29,919
and so if you have some practice at it

844
00:32:34,389 --> 00:32:32,080
that's the main thing i'm

845
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:34,399
asking people to do just to

846
00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:35,440
practice

847
00:32:41,669 --> 00:32:39,840
these skills as any any skills new

848
00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:41,679
skills that you learn it's first going

849
00:32:46,310 --> 00:32:43,200
to feel awkward

850
00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:46,320
and difficult but eventually you'll see

851
00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:48,960
the results and you'll begin to say yeah

852
00:32:53,269 --> 00:32:51,120
i did it i was able to

853
00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:53,279
really be there for my son or daughter

854
00:32:58,630 --> 00:32:55,440
when they needed me

855
00:33:01,509 --> 00:32:58,640
well and it seems like the tools that

856
00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:01,519
you are providing you know even though

857
00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:03,840
the book is called the male mother

858
00:33:08,830 --> 00:33:06,880
many women could utilize very similar

859
00:33:11,909 --> 00:33:08,840
skills

860
00:33:13,669 --> 00:33:11,919
to become a more conscious parent i

861
00:33:15,909 --> 00:33:13,679
guess would be the correct way to say it

862
00:33:17,590 --> 00:33:15,919
yeah i actually have a full a whole

863
00:33:19,110 --> 00:33:17,600
chapter in the book about the male

864
00:33:22,789 --> 00:33:19,120
mother in women

865
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:22,799
uh how that has to also be part of

866
00:33:26,789 --> 00:33:24,880
of the of the team

867
00:33:29,190 --> 00:33:26,799
since both of them are working together

868
00:33:32,549 --> 00:33:29,200
then they both have to have these male

869
00:33:35,269 --> 00:33:32,559
mother skills and and learn how to

870
00:33:37,029 --> 00:33:35,279
feed off each other and trade off so if

871
00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:37,039
one day i don't feel very

872
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:45,590
is it important in the dynamic between

873
00:33:53,909 --> 00:33:49,760
the parents that they have um

874
00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:53,919
you know a platform or an agreement to

875
00:33:58,149 --> 00:33:56,240
this is how we are going to raise our

876
00:33:59,909 --> 00:33:58,159
children you know with some general

877
00:34:02,310 --> 00:33:59,919
guidelines and

878
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:02,320
between the two of them so that they can

879
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:05,519
provide consistency to their children

880
00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:08,159
absolutely and i think the the main job

881
00:34:12,790 --> 00:34:11,040
is to create a cooperative

882
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:12,800
agreement rather than a competitive

883
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:13,919
agreement

884
00:34:19,030 --> 00:34:16,800
most families and most parents end up

885
00:34:20,950 --> 00:34:19,040
competing with each other for the favors

886
00:34:23,589 --> 00:34:20,960
of their children

887
00:34:24,869 --> 00:34:23,599
and and so if if you have a more

888
00:34:26,470 --> 00:34:24,879
cooperative

889
00:34:28,710 --> 00:34:26,480
agreement that you're not going to buy

890
00:34:31,109 --> 00:34:28,720
into that kind of behavior

891
00:34:34,149 --> 00:34:31,119
and you're not going to promote it i

892
00:34:36,869 --> 00:34:34,159
think you're far ahead of the game

893
00:34:38,310 --> 00:34:36,879
well and i think the kids figure out you

894
00:34:40,550 --> 00:34:38,320
know

895
00:34:42,869 --> 00:34:40,560
who to go to who to go to it's like well

896
00:34:44,710 --> 00:34:42,879
you know if i if i go to dad you know

897
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:44,720
he's going to let me do it where mom's

898
00:34:49,109 --> 00:34:46,240
going to be like

899
00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:49,119
you're crazy well that does promote a

900
00:34:51,190 --> 00:34:50,159
kind of a

901
00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:51,200
um

902
00:34:55,589 --> 00:34:52,720
two against one

903
00:34:56,869 --> 00:34:55,599
attitude and we discourage that uh and

904
00:34:58,550 --> 00:34:56,879
uh so if

905
00:35:01,030 --> 00:34:58,560
if uh

906
00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:01,040
if bobby comes to me and says

907
00:35:05,670 --> 00:35:03,599
i'd like to do this and i'd say well you

908
00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:05,680
know that may be a good idea let me talk

909
00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:08,480
to your mother and i'll get back to you

910
00:35:12,790 --> 00:35:10,160
so you you work

911
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:12,800
as a team as long as you can keep your

912
00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:15,119
your kids from uh doing a divide and

913
00:35:19,990 --> 00:35:17,200
conquer you'll get away you'll be able

914
00:35:22,710 --> 00:35:20,000
to do that more effectively

915
00:35:25,349 --> 00:35:22,720
having that consistency in the bringing

916
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:25,359
up of children does that help the child

917
00:35:29,109 --> 00:35:27,520
to

918
00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:29,119
does that help the child i'll just put a

919
00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:31,599
period there oh yeah it's it's it's

920
00:35:34,790 --> 00:35:32,880
invaluable

921
00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:34,800
consistency is

922
00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:37,680
uh is really an important characteristic

923
00:35:40,310 --> 00:35:38,880
because

924
00:35:45,750 --> 00:35:40,320
these

925
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:45,760
feelings that the child grows up with

926
00:35:51,589 --> 00:35:48,960
grow out of a consistent kind of pattern

927
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:51,599
that's that's modeled for them

928
00:35:56,710 --> 00:35:54,480
and is expected of them and so as long

929
00:35:58,390 --> 00:35:56,720
as that consistency is there they will

930
00:36:01,670 --> 00:35:58,400
not get confused

931
00:36:04,870 --> 00:36:01,680
and will be able to follow that model

932
00:36:07,270 --> 00:36:04,880
it seems like in i'm going to say this

933
00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:07,280
generation whatever

934
00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:14,310
you know i'm gonna say spare the rod

935
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:16,960
spoil the child but there's not a lot of

936
00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:18,240
discipline

937
00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:21,119
that of you know or expectations from

938
00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:22,400
parents

939
00:36:25,750 --> 00:36:23,920
um

940
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:25,760
what's your thought on that whole

941
00:36:29,910 --> 00:36:27,599
concept as far as what we're talking

942
00:36:31,829 --> 00:36:29,920
about now that's absolutely the worst

943
00:36:34,950 --> 00:36:31,839
thing you can do

944
00:36:36,790 --> 00:36:34,960
is not give any limits or do

945
00:36:37,750 --> 00:36:36,800
no discipline at all

946
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:37,760
because

947
00:36:42,390 --> 00:36:40,320
children need limits and they will act

948
00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:42,400
out if they don't have them to try to

949
00:36:46,950 --> 00:36:44,160
get the limits so sometimes when you

950
00:36:47,910 --> 00:36:46,960
have an act out acting out teenager it's

951
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:47,920
not the

952
00:36:50,790 --> 00:36:49,200
teenager's

953
00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:50,800
problem it's the fact that the parents

954
00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:53,200
have not set effective limits

955
00:36:57,190 --> 00:36:55,280
and the teenagers acting out to find out

956
00:36:59,589 --> 00:36:57,200
where the limits are

957
00:37:01,190 --> 00:36:59,599
so i will do this to see if i can get

958
00:37:03,430 --> 00:37:01,200
away with it and if i can get away with

959
00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:03,440
it i'll just keep doing it that's one of

960
00:37:08,550 --> 00:37:06,000
the things that happens yeah frequently

961
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:08,560
but then interestingly uh and i've

962
00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:10,000
studied this and others have studied

963
00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:11,839
this that children who grew up in

964
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:13,920
families where they

965
00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:17,040
had very permissive parenting

966
00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:19,920
they all almost all end up feeling that

967
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:23,040
they weren't loved by their parents

968
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:24,960
interesting yeah

969
00:37:29,190 --> 00:37:27,119
so people parents sometimes think well

970
00:37:31,589 --> 00:37:29,200
if i discipline them they're not gonna

971
00:37:34,390 --> 00:37:31,599
lie they're not gonna think i love them

972
00:37:36,390 --> 00:37:34,400
well that's not true

973
00:37:37,990 --> 00:37:36,400
when you discipline your children you're

974
00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:38,000
you're showing them that you care about

975
00:37:43,109 --> 00:37:40,480
their behavior and you love them enough

976
00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:43,119
to intervene and make sure that uh

977
00:37:48,150 --> 00:37:45,520
they're safe and that they learn

978
00:37:49,829 --> 00:37:48,160
how to how to grow up effectively

979
00:37:52,150 --> 00:37:49,839
and if you don't set any limits and you

980
00:37:54,630 --> 00:37:52,160
don't discipline them they they kind of

981
00:37:57,670 --> 00:37:54,640
think you don't care

982
00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:57,680
well and i think it makes them

983
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:03,109
be more rounded in general you know one

984
00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:05,280
of the things that i see because i work

985
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:08,160
with um i have a lot of female clients

986
00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:09,599
and then i you know what we end up

987
00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:11,920
talking about their their teenage or

988
00:38:15,109 --> 00:38:13,760
young adult uh

989
00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:15,119
children

990
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:16,240
that

991
00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:18,960
there's this rash of depression

992
00:38:24,390 --> 00:38:22,800
that they're experiencing um the child

993
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:24,400
you know because they get out of high

994
00:38:28,470 --> 00:38:25,920
school or they're a senior in high

995
00:38:30,790 --> 00:38:28,480
school or whatever and

996
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:30,800
now there are these expectations that

997
00:38:36,550 --> 00:38:33,440
they do something absolutely and i don't

998
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:36,560
feel many of them don't feel prepared

999
00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:38,880
for what they what they now see that

1000
00:38:43,150 --> 00:38:41,200
they're going to have to do

1001
00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:43,160
and there's also been a wrath

1002
00:38:48,710 --> 00:38:47,920
a rash of teenage suicides

1003
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:48,720
uh

1004
00:38:51,430 --> 00:38:50,400
that i don't know if that's national but

1005
00:38:53,510 --> 00:38:51,440
locally

1006
00:38:56,310 --> 00:38:53,520
it's an epidemic

1007
00:38:58,310 --> 00:38:56,320
really yeah and people are scratching

1008
00:39:03,030 --> 00:38:58,320
their head why are all these

1009
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:04,950
and so there's some people now looking

1010
00:39:09,510 --> 00:39:06,720
into that and seeing if we can find some

1011
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:09,520
answers to that question

1012
00:39:14,790 --> 00:39:12,240
well i mean i just see that you know

1013
00:39:18,069 --> 00:39:14,800
there's not even responsibility placed

1014
00:39:19,589 --> 00:39:18,079
on the child to go and

1015
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:19,599
do stuff

1016
00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:20,880
you know you tell them to clean their

1017
00:39:24,150 --> 00:39:22,960
room and then they don't do it and

1018
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:24,160
you're like

1019
00:39:28,390 --> 00:39:26,880
and then there's no consequence for it

1020
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:28,400
right

1021
00:39:32,390 --> 00:39:30,240
well i mean there's a lot of good

1022
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:32,400
parenting programs out there for parents

1023
00:39:36,069 --> 00:39:33,839
who have trouble

1024
00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:36,079
setting those limits i mean there's uh

1025
00:39:40,230 --> 00:39:37,359
love and logic

1026
00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:40,240
is one of them that i know of where they

1027
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:42,480
talk about natural and logical

1028
00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:43,920
consequences

1029
00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:46,000
so if a child doesn't clean their room

1030
00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:47,920
that what would be the logical natural

1031
00:39:51,910 --> 00:39:49,760
consequence that would help them

1032
00:39:55,349 --> 00:39:51,920
remember to clean their room

1033
00:39:56,710 --> 00:39:55,359
and i often encourage parents to involve

1034
00:39:58,069 --> 00:39:56,720
their children in setting those

1035
00:39:59,430 --> 00:39:58,079
consequences

1036
00:40:01,349 --> 00:39:59,440
you know like what would help you

1037
00:40:02,790 --> 00:40:01,359
remember to clean your room

1038
00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:02,800
what would have to happen to help you

1039
00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:04,560
remember that

1040
00:40:06,550 --> 00:40:05,440
and

1041
00:40:09,670 --> 00:40:06,560
then they have to come up with the

1042
00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:09,680
consequence well if i don't remember it

1043
00:40:13,349 --> 00:40:11,440
if if

1044
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:13,359
i didn't get to go to the movies or i

1045
00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:15,440
didn't go get to go out with my friends

1046
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:17,280
that would probably help me remember

1047
00:40:22,310 --> 00:40:20,240
okay that's a consequence then we'll use

1048
00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:22,320
so you engage the children in that

1049
00:40:27,030 --> 00:40:25,200
process don't just arbitrarily assign a

1050
00:40:27,910 --> 00:40:27,040
consequence that may have no meaning for

1051
00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:27,920
them

1052
00:40:34,790 --> 00:40:32,480
well and it sounds like with that format

1053
00:40:38,310 --> 00:40:34,800
they made the consequence and so they

1054
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:38,320
have to live by their own rule exactly

1055
00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:40,560
that's how it works

1056
00:40:47,430 --> 00:40:45,839
oh no i broke my own rule right right

1057
00:40:49,270 --> 00:40:47,440
yeah

1058
00:40:50,829 --> 00:40:49,280
all right going back to going back to

1059
00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:50,839
the male mother

1060
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:54,240
um let's talk biology for a second

1061
00:40:59,430 --> 00:40:56,640
um from a biological point of view does

1062
00:41:02,069 --> 00:40:59,440
taking on this role you know the as the

1063
00:41:05,589 --> 00:41:02,079
male mother changed chemistry and

1064
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:05,599
fathers absolutely it's also helps

1065
00:41:10,470 --> 00:41:08,560
develop a part of the brain that can

1066
00:41:12,790 --> 00:41:10,480
in many people be underdeveloped and

1067
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:12,800
that's a prefrontal cortex

1068
00:41:18,390 --> 00:41:15,200
we know that the prefrontal cortex

1069
00:41:21,589 --> 00:41:18,400
houses a lot of these male mother type

1070
00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:21,599
behaviors and skills and and if if you

1071
00:41:26,230 --> 00:41:24,160
haven't developed those your prefrontal

1072
00:41:29,109 --> 00:41:26,240
cortex in your brain is not developed so

1073
00:41:32,069 --> 00:41:29,119
you're again you you're leaving out a

1074
00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:32,079
big part of of of the resources that you

1075
00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:34,960
you need to to be effective in the world

1076
00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:36,480
and and so

1077
00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:38,560
the chemistry and the biology is there

1078
00:41:43,349 --> 00:41:41,040
and the research has been very clear

1079
00:41:46,230 --> 00:41:43,359
that uh that people who develop these

1080
00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:46,240
skills have a much more uh

1081
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:48,240
fully developed prefrontal cortex in

1082
00:41:52,630 --> 00:41:50,640
their brain well and what does the pre

1083
00:41:54,069 --> 00:41:52,640
what is the prefrontal cortex

1084
00:41:56,309 --> 00:41:54,079
responsible for

1085
00:41:57,670 --> 00:41:56,319
well it it also it helps us make

1086
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:57,680
decisions

1087
00:42:02,790 --> 00:41:59,760
it's it's almost uh like

1088
00:42:05,589 --> 00:42:02,800
it has an executive function of it

1089
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:05,599
it also helps us

1090
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:08,400
use our intuition as a tool

1091
00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:10,079
when we don't quite know what to do we

1092
00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:12,160
kind of tune into our own

1093
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:14,560
intuitive feelings about what might be

1094
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:16,480
the best choice here

1095
00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:19,280
uh it also helps us

1096
00:42:22,470 --> 00:42:20,800
develop empathy

1097
00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:22,480
and compassion

1098
00:42:27,510 --> 00:42:25,680
and learn how to

1099
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:27,520
really

1100
00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:30,000
use our feelings more effectively in our

1101
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:31,359
life

1102
00:42:35,349 --> 00:42:33,200
so those are all things that come out of

1103
00:42:38,470 --> 00:42:35,359
the prefrontal cortex

1104
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:38,480
well i guess women must have giant free

1105
00:42:42,230 --> 00:42:40,800
prefrontal cortexes interesting you

1106
00:42:45,030 --> 00:42:42,240
would say that because the research

1107
00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:45,040
confirms that women have much more fully

1108
00:42:50,710 --> 00:42:48,400
developed prefrontal cortexes than men

1109
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:50,720
ha ha my prefrontal cortex is bigger

1110
00:42:56,829 --> 00:42:55,270
i guess if you want to be competitive

1111
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:56,839
about

1112
00:43:01,910 --> 00:43:00,000
it but the other side would be okay i

1113
00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:01,920
have i've worked on these things how can

1114
00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:04,480
i help you work on these things too

1115
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:05,920
i've learned how to do this because

1116
00:43:10,150 --> 00:43:07,680
society has said it's okay for me to

1117
00:43:12,150 --> 00:43:10,160
learn how to do this so how can i help

1118
00:43:15,750 --> 00:43:12,160
you learn how to be a partner an equal

1119
00:43:18,309 --> 00:43:15,760
partner at parenting our children

1120
00:43:19,990 --> 00:43:18,319
and you know i think yeah if

1121
00:43:22,309 --> 00:43:20,000
men are open to that

1122
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:22,319
women can teach them a lot about how to

1123
00:43:26,950 --> 00:43:24,000
do that although men do nurture

1124
00:43:28,630 --> 00:43:26,960
differently than women

1125
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:28,640
and that's explain

1126
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:30,400
well uh

1127
00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:32,880
women tend to in their nurturing they

1128
00:43:36,069 --> 00:43:34,720
tend to be much more

1129
00:43:38,950 --> 00:43:36,079
uh in

1130
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:38,960
enveloping and and kind of oh here come

1131
00:43:42,230 --> 00:43:41,359
let me hold you and comfort you

1132
00:43:43,990 --> 00:43:42,240
men

1133
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:44,000
are different about that

1134
00:43:47,109 --> 00:43:46,000
they tend to nurture by saying well i

1135
00:43:48,630 --> 00:43:47,119
can see

1136
00:43:50,470 --> 00:43:48,640
if they're doing it well

1137
00:43:52,470 --> 00:43:50,480
i can see this is hard for you and

1138
00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:52,480
you're having a hard time with this so

1139
00:43:57,190 --> 00:43:55,040
how can i help you what can i what can

1140
00:43:59,510 --> 00:43:57,200
we do together here to help you feel

1141
00:44:01,910 --> 00:43:59,520
better so they they come at it a little

1142
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:01,920
differently than women do and and i

1143
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:04,560
think having both of those operating in

1144
00:44:12,790 --> 00:44:08,880
in a family i think is very healthy

1145
00:44:15,190 --> 00:44:12,800
have you worked with any men who have

1146
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:15,200
you know that that seem like manly men

1147
00:44:22,309 --> 00:44:18,960
who have taken the opportunity to

1148
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:22,319
nurture and you know become a male

1149
00:44:27,829 --> 00:44:25,520
mother and changes within them within

1150
00:44:30,870 --> 00:44:27,839
their personality

1151
00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:30,880
yourself absolutely and i've all of the

1152
00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:32,480
things i write about

1153
00:44:37,510 --> 00:44:34,880
i have worked on and developed in myself

1154
00:44:39,910 --> 00:44:37,520
so i'm a model for men who come

1155
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:39,920
to me and and want to know how to do it

1156
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:42,480
i can i can tell them how to do it i can

1157
00:44:48,390 --> 00:44:45,680
also show them how to do it

1158
00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:48,400
but i i'm just kind of looking for an

1159
00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:50,480
example i i just you know i have that

1160
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:53,440
curiosity factor so what kind of things

1161
00:44:56,550 --> 00:44:55,200
change i mean because there are a lot of

1162
00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:56,560
men who

1163
00:45:00,150 --> 00:44:58,079
you know that's that's my wife the

1164
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:00,160
children are my wife's job i mean have

1165
00:45:05,349 --> 00:45:03,359
you seen them make the transition from

1166
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:05,359
not taking any responsibility to

1167
00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:07,680
actually stepping into the role of

1168
00:45:10,630 --> 00:45:08,800
parenting

1169
00:45:13,109 --> 00:45:10,640
and and what had what was your

1170
00:45:14,150 --> 00:45:13,119
observation as far as the personality

1171
00:45:15,589 --> 00:45:14,160
change

1172
00:45:18,790 --> 00:45:15,599
oh uh

1173
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:18,800
yes uh the answer is i'm seeing many

1174
00:45:23,670 --> 00:45:21,280
many more young men millennials

1175
00:45:25,750 --> 00:45:23,680
who are now saying i want to be an equal

1176
00:45:26,550 --> 00:45:25,760
partner and i want to learn how to do

1177
00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:26,560
this

1178
00:45:29,349 --> 00:45:27,680
and it's

1179
00:45:30,150 --> 00:45:29,359
it's in life in them they're they're

1180
00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:30,160
much

1181
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:34,480
alive and

1182
00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:37,680
uh passionate about life and about

1183
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:40,560
what they're doing i i i just

1184
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:42,960
and actually it sometimes isn't just

1185
00:45:47,910 --> 00:45:45,599
younger men i have a men's i'm in a

1186
00:45:50,069 --> 00:45:47,920
men's group and one of my uh men in the

1187
00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:50,079
men's group just became a grandfather

1188
00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:52,880
and he is so passionate about this child

1189
00:45:57,589 --> 00:45:55,280
his daughter sends him pictures every

1190
00:45:58,870 --> 00:45:57,599
day of this baby and he comes to men's

1191
00:46:01,349 --> 00:45:58,880
group and he shows us the latest

1192
00:46:03,670 --> 00:46:01,359
pictures every week and he's so excited

1193
00:46:06,150 --> 00:46:03,680
about it and he says i want to be i want

1194
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:06,160
to be in this child's life as much as i

1195
00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:07,920
possibly can

1196
00:46:12,710 --> 00:46:10,319
and and he said it's my number one

1197
00:46:15,750 --> 00:46:12,720
priority in life right now i mean that

1198
00:46:18,550 --> 00:46:15,760
that's that's a shift

1199
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:18,560
but that's really great um

1200
00:46:24,710 --> 00:46:20,640
i mean because there really hasn't been

1201
00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:24,720
permission for men to do that or

1202
00:46:28,630 --> 00:46:26,560
you know just because of social

1203
00:46:29,349 --> 00:46:28,640
stereotypes i mean you know speaking of

1204
00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:29,359
that

1205
00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:31,040
you know we're talking about socials are

1206
00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:32,800
kind of talking about social stereotypes

1207
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:35,040
what are the kind of obstacles do men

1208
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:38,560
face in trying to make this transition

1209
00:46:43,349 --> 00:46:42,000
well it does take some courage to face

1210
00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:43,359
the fact that

1211
00:46:46,230 --> 00:46:44,160
many

1212
00:46:48,550 --> 00:46:46,240
people will

1213
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:48,560
not support you they may be

1214
00:46:52,790 --> 00:46:50,480
they may be outwardly critical or they

1215
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:52,800
may be sinus kind of silently critical

1216
00:46:55,589 --> 00:46:54,240
and you'll notice

1217
00:46:57,750 --> 00:46:55,599
that

1218
00:46:59,589 --> 00:46:57,760
they have some judgments about

1219
00:47:01,670 --> 00:46:59,599
the fact that you're you're doing some

1220
00:47:04,069 --> 00:47:01,680
things i mean that was i mean that's

1221
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:04,079
true that's why men don't take their

1222
00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:06,000
paid paternity leave because they're

1223
00:47:09,190 --> 00:47:07,280
afraid that there's going to be some

1224
00:47:11,589 --> 00:47:09,200
judgment

1225
00:47:14,710 --> 00:47:11,599
among their co-workers if they do that

1226
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:14,720
uh so i think there's a there's a uh uh

1227
00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:16,800
i think the people that are the young

1228
00:47:21,109 --> 00:47:19,440
men that are doing this are the pioneers

1229
00:47:22,870 --> 00:47:21,119
and obviously the pioneers are gonna

1230
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:22,880
have some higher arrows in their back so

1231
00:47:27,190 --> 00:47:25,520
to speak people are not going to accept

1232
00:47:28,309 --> 00:47:27,200
this and they're going to have some

1233
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:28,319
some things that they're going to have

1234
00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:29,760
to work on i have some things in the

1235
00:47:33,109 --> 00:47:31,760
book about that about how men can handle

1236
00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:33,119
that

1237
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:37,520
we're we're in this transition

1238
00:47:40,790 --> 00:47:38,480
between

1239
00:47:43,589 --> 00:47:40,800
the over emphasis and the unbalanced

1240
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:43,599
male and masculine characteristics to

1241
00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:46,640
where men are beginning to learn how to

1242
00:47:49,750 --> 00:47:48,000
uh develop their feminine

1243
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:49,760
characteristics and then the third stage

1244
00:47:53,829 --> 00:47:51,359
of course would be to put the two

1245
00:47:57,750 --> 00:47:53,839
together which is a whole another maybe

1246
00:48:02,630 --> 00:48:00,710
integration we're gonna talk integration

1247
00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:02,640
yes

1248
00:48:07,670 --> 00:48:05,680
um any other kinds of obstacles um you

1249
00:48:10,870 --> 00:48:07,680
know even from a legal you know i think

1250
00:48:15,910 --> 00:48:10,880
the family care act was

1251
00:48:18,390 --> 00:48:15,920
a wonderful benefit to men women

1252
00:48:21,349 --> 00:48:18,400
you know and families in general but are

1253
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:21,359
there other places where

1254
00:48:25,510 --> 00:48:23,760
men or people have conflict in

1255
00:48:27,430 --> 00:48:25,520
taking care of their children

1256
00:48:28,470 --> 00:48:27,440
well let me just go back to the family

1257
00:48:31,190 --> 00:48:28,480
care act

1258
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:31,200
it's too little too late and

1259
00:48:39,030 --> 00:48:34,079
actually the united states among all of

1260
00:48:45,109 --> 00:48:42,549
supportive in their policies towards

1261
00:48:46,309 --> 00:48:45,119
mothers and fathers taking time away

1262
00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:46,319
from work

1263
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:50,480
to care for their young children we

1264
00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:52,960
lived in in czechoslovakia when we

1265
00:48:55,510 --> 00:48:54,480
worked on a project for the united

1266
00:48:58,710 --> 00:48:55,520
nations

1267
00:49:01,750 --> 00:48:58,720
and in czechoslovakia women got

1268
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:01,760
three years of paid maternity leave get

1269
00:49:06,230 --> 00:49:04,800
out get out right

1270
00:49:08,549 --> 00:49:06,240
if they were working

1271
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:08,559
their job was held for three years for

1272
00:49:12,470 --> 00:49:10,480
them and they got paid during that time

1273
00:49:14,790 --> 00:49:12,480
they got 90 percent of their salary the

1274
00:49:17,670 --> 00:49:14,800
first year then i think it dropped to 80

1275
00:49:19,349 --> 00:49:17,680
and then 75 the third year but we also

1276
00:49:21,349 --> 00:49:19,359
noticed that

1277
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:21,359
the family planning most of the children

1278
00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:24,319
were spaced at least three years apart

1279
00:49:27,589 --> 00:49:25,920
so they

1280
00:49:30,309 --> 00:49:27,599
they learned how to play the system a

1281
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:30,319
little bit but that's not bad because

1282
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:32,800
spacing your children three years apart

1283
00:49:38,069 --> 00:49:35,280
is is a very effective way of family

1284
00:49:40,549 --> 00:49:38,079
planning because that means every child

1285
00:49:42,390 --> 00:49:40,559
gets at least three years of of full

1286
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:42,400
attention and they don't have to compete

1287
00:49:46,710 --> 00:49:44,480
for that with other siblings who are

1288
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:46,720
maybe a year older or you're

1289
00:49:52,470 --> 00:49:49,440
uh you know or two young older so it

1290
00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:52,480
it's a very good plan and i know when we

1291
00:49:56,230 --> 00:49:54,000
when we were over there we were asked to

1292
00:49:57,349 --> 00:49:56,240
go out and speak to various groups and

1293
00:49:59,270 --> 00:49:57,359
the the

1294
00:50:01,589 --> 00:49:59,280
theme of our talk always was well don't

1295
00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:01,599
throw the baby out with the bath water

1296
00:50:05,589 --> 00:50:03,760
don't cha don't change these policies

1297
00:50:07,270 --> 00:50:05,599
because the west doesn't have these

1298
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:07,280
because after communism fell this was

1299
00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:09,359
just after communism fell on there was

1300
00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:11,280
this rush to try to adopt everything

1301
00:50:15,990 --> 00:50:14,000
western and to to do away with

1302
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:16,000
everything that they had before i said

1303
00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:17,520
don't throw the baby out with a bath

1304
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:19,359
water keep this policy because it's

1305
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:21,920
absolutely an important policy that most

1306
00:50:28,549 --> 00:50:25,440
of the countries in the west don't have

1307
00:50:31,030 --> 00:50:28,559
but i mean at least we have something

1308
00:50:32,470 --> 00:50:31,040
now i mean it might not be great but at

1309
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:32,480
least it's

1310
00:50:36,309 --> 00:50:34,400
something it's it's a little bit and

1311
00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:36,319
it's a little too late and

1312
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:38,960
uh it it i mean

1313
00:50:41,990 --> 00:50:41,280
countries like sweden have

1314
00:50:45,030 --> 00:50:42,000
uh

1315
00:50:46,549 --> 00:50:45,040
a year of paid not only maternity leave

1316
00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:46,559
but paternity leave

1317
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:48,640
fathers can stay home from their job for

1318
00:50:52,950 --> 00:50:50,880
a year and get paid

1319
00:50:55,990 --> 00:50:52,960
and i mean that's the kind of support

1320
00:50:58,870 --> 00:50:56,000
you really need to to create uh this

1321
00:51:00,470 --> 00:50:58,880
kind of equal parenting that we have

1322
00:51:03,109 --> 00:51:00,480
this model of equal parenting that we're

1323
00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:03,119
talking about with the male mother

1324
00:51:09,190 --> 00:51:06,480
so we're far short of where we should be

1325
00:51:10,150 --> 00:51:09,200
in terms of family policy family

1326
00:51:12,710 --> 00:51:10,160
planning

1327
00:51:14,470 --> 00:51:12,720
and a long way to go yet and i think if

1328
00:51:16,549 --> 00:51:14,480
we could look at some of these other

1329
00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:16,559
countries and what they're doing and how

1330
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:18,000
this is affecting

1331
00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:20,400
their children giving them the

1332
00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:22,880
secure foundation they need to grow up

1333
00:51:27,910 --> 00:51:24,160
and and be

1334
00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:27,920
uh responsible uh citizens i think

1335
00:51:33,349 --> 00:51:30,400
uh maybe we can learn something there

1336
00:51:34,870 --> 00:51:33,359
or if you have men tap more into their

1337
00:51:37,990 --> 00:51:34,880
male mothers

1338
00:51:40,790 --> 00:51:38,000
then they would be empathic into the

1339
00:51:42,230 --> 00:51:40,800
need of the man being there i mean

1340
00:51:45,750 --> 00:51:42,240
because if you think about it who's

1341
00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:45,760
making the rules the man the men right

1342
00:51:49,510 --> 00:51:46,880
yeah

1343
00:51:52,069 --> 00:51:49,520
people said if if we if we had

1344
00:51:54,150 --> 00:51:52,079
uh uh actually if we even had the

1345
00:51:56,230 --> 00:51:54,160
proportion of women

1346
00:51:57,910 --> 00:51:56,240
in cult in congress that we have in our

1347
00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:57,920
population

1348
00:52:01,430 --> 00:51:59,760
the rules would be different

1349
00:52:03,270 --> 00:52:01,440
they wouldn't make the kind of laws that

1350
00:52:05,109 --> 00:52:03,280
they they are now making

1351
00:52:07,990 --> 00:52:05,119
and in fact interestingly when we were

1352
00:52:09,910 --> 00:52:08,000
in in czechoslovakia this was another

1353
00:52:12,309 --> 00:52:09,920
progressive idea that

1354
00:52:15,430 --> 00:52:12,319
the west has not adopted they had a

1355
00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:15,440
cabinet level person

1356
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:17,680
who was whose job was to make sure that

1357
00:52:21,750 --> 00:52:19,920
no laws were passed by the legislature

1358
00:52:23,670 --> 00:52:21,760
that would have any adverse effect on

1359
00:52:25,829 --> 00:52:23,680
families

1360
00:52:27,510 --> 00:52:25,839
can you imagine that having maybe that's

1361
00:52:29,829 --> 00:52:27,520
kind of hard to like even wrap your mind

1362
00:52:30,870 --> 00:52:29,839
around isn't it yeah but that was that

1363
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:30,880
was

1364
00:52:34,309 --> 00:52:32,400
absolutely

1365
00:52:37,349 --> 00:52:34,319
essential and they they

1366
00:52:38,870 --> 00:52:37,359
that person's job was to to review every

1367
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:38,880
piece of legislation that was being

1368
00:52:43,190 --> 00:52:40,559
proposed and then to make

1369
00:52:45,030 --> 00:52:43,200
recommendations about if if it needed to

1370
00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:45,040
be changed so it wasn't adversely

1371
00:52:48,549 --> 00:52:47,440
affecting families in any way

1372
00:52:50,470 --> 00:52:48,559
wow

1373
00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:50,480
you know i heard this one joke and i'm

1374
00:52:55,349 --> 00:52:53,040
sure it went around you know if if men

1375
00:52:59,589 --> 00:52:55,359
could get pregnant you know then

1376
00:53:01,109 --> 00:52:59,599
abortion would be a sacrament yeah right

1377
00:53:02,790 --> 00:53:01,119
that's probably true

1378
00:53:04,710 --> 00:53:02,800
well you know and and it but i think

1379
00:53:05,750 --> 00:53:04,720
when it comes to family and child

1380
00:53:08,710 --> 00:53:05,760
rearing

1381
00:53:12,470 --> 00:53:08,720
you know because they don't do that job

1382
00:53:17,270 --> 00:53:14,790
they just push it away you know and they

1383
00:53:18,870 --> 00:53:17,280
just step outside that role

1384
00:53:21,510 --> 00:53:18,880
i want to i want to say one more thing

1385
00:53:23,109 --> 00:53:21,520
that was interesting to me when i when i

1386
00:53:24,549 --> 00:53:23,119
started writing this book i was going to

1387
00:53:25,829 --> 00:53:24,559
do some research

1388
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:25,839
so i

1389
00:53:31,270 --> 00:53:29,520
sent out an email to 53

1390
00:53:33,510 --> 00:53:31,280
fathers that i knew

1391
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:33,520
and i said if you're interested in

1392
00:53:38,470 --> 00:53:36,000
helping me

1393
00:53:40,230 --> 00:53:38,480
answer these three questions and send me

1394
00:53:43,030 --> 00:53:40,240
your responses email me back your

1395
00:53:46,069 --> 00:53:43,040
responses the three questions were

1396
00:53:47,990 --> 00:53:46,079
uh what did you do as a father

1397
00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:48,000
when your kids were young that you

1398
00:53:50,549 --> 00:53:49,680
really are proud of and you think really

1399
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:50,559
worked

1400
00:53:58,309 --> 00:53:56,069
are you there yeah i just dropped

1401
00:53:59,270 --> 00:53:58,319
something okay and then the second

1402
00:54:02,309 --> 00:53:59,280
question

1403
00:54:04,309 --> 00:54:02,319
was and what did you do that didn't work

1404
00:54:06,790 --> 00:54:04,319
but as you look at it now you say well

1405
00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:06,800
that that one didn't work as well

1406
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:08,880
and then the third question was if you

1407
00:54:11,990 --> 00:54:10,400
had to do over again

1408
00:54:13,990 --> 00:54:12,000
if you had a mulligan

1409
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what would you do differently

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and so i sent these out i thought they

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would be pretty easy for

1412
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fathers to answer

1413
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and out of the 53 they all said yes they

1414
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would fill out the questions only seven

1415
00:54:28,950 --> 00:54:27,200
of them were capable of filling them out

1416
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and sending them back

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00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:30,319
so i started following up with some of

1418
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these people actually some of them

1419
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followed up with me

1420
00:54:36,549 --> 00:54:34,960
i sent them a second email saying i

1421
00:54:38,470 --> 00:54:36,559
haven't gotten your response yet what's

1422
00:54:40,790 --> 00:54:38,480
going on i got a phone call from a

1423
00:54:42,870 --> 00:54:40,800
couple of them one one father was in

1424
00:54:45,270 --> 00:54:42,880
tears he was sobbing

1425
00:54:47,829 --> 00:54:45,280
he said this has brought up so much for

1426
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:47,839
me i can't i can't answer your questions

1427
00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:51,119
i just can't do it i feel so much guilt

1428
00:54:55,829 --> 00:54:53,280
and shame about what i didn't do and

1429
00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:55,839
what i should have done

1430
00:54:59,990 --> 00:54:58,480
that i can't do it so only seven of the

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00:55:02,630 --> 00:55:00,000
53

1432
00:55:04,790 --> 00:55:02,640
who agreed to do it were able to

1433
00:55:07,270 --> 00:55:04,800
fil to fill out those questions and send

1434
00:55:09,270 --> 00:55:07,280
them back to me i was amazed at that

1435
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:09,280
which showed to me how many fathers are

1436
00:55:14,549 --> 00:55:11,760
carrying around a lot of guilt and shame

1437
00:55:17,109 --> 00:55:14,559
about not doing a good job of raising

1438
00:55:17,990 --> 00:55:17,119
their kids and i'm saying to fathers

1439
00:55:19,829 --> 00:55:18,000
please

1440
00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:19,839
forgive yourself don't

1441
00:55:24,549 --> 00:55:22,079
nobody's perfect at this you have to

1442
00:55:26,870 --> 00:55:24,559
give your cut yourself some slack as i

1443
00:55:28,150 --> 00:55:26,880
said earlier if you don't your kids are

1444
00:55:29,670 --> 00:55:28,160
going to have more of a relationship

1445
00:55:31,109 --> 00:55:29,680
with your guilt and shame than they will

1446
00:55:33,270 --> 00:55:31,119
with you

1447
00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:33,280
and do you want that no most fathers

1448
00:55:37,270 --> 00:55:35,760
don't no i mean i think they want the

1449
00:55:39,030 --> 00:55:37,280
best for their children even though they

1450
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:39,040
don't know how to provide it yeah they

1451
00:55:44,390 --> 00:55:41,040
do

1452
00:55:46,549 --> 00:55:44,400
okay well we're running out of actually

1453
00:55:49,750 --> 00:55:46,559
we're pretty much out of time do you

1454
00:55:52,870 --> 00:55:49,760
have any closing comments that you would

1455
00:55:55,670 --> 00:55:52,880
make to encourage our

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00:55:58,710 --> 00:55:55,680
are male listeners are potentially new

1457
00:56:00,950 --> 00:55:58,720
male mothers into taking the next step

1458
00:56:03,030 --> 00:56:00,960
in working on themselves

1459
00:56:04,309 --> 00:56:03,040
well i think the young

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males

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and most of them have gotten it they

1462
00:56:11,109 --> 00:56:09,200
know that this is important and they're

1463
00:56:13,510 --> 00:56:11,119
taking steps to

1464
00:56:15,750 --> 00:56:13,520
try to be equal parents obviously

1465
00:56:18,230 --> 00:56:15,760
sometimes because they have they grew up

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in a society that didn't emphasize

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learning these male mother skills

1468
00:56:24,230 --> 00:56:21,359
they're going to have some skills to

1469
00:56:25,109 --> 00:56:24,240
learn it's like learning any new job

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00:56:27,270 --> 00:56:25,119
so

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the book provides that information for

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00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:28,640
them here are the skills you need to

1473
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learn and here's how to learn them

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the second thing is

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even if your children are older it's

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00:56:37,030 --> 00:56:35,200
never

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00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:37,040
too late to provide

1478
00:56:42,630 --> 00:56:40,079
this support for them i mean as an

1479
00:56:45,750 --> 00:56:42,640
a grandfather now i'm still giving

1480
00:56:49,510 --> 00:56:45,760
support to my kids and my grandkids that

1481
00:56:53,349 --> 00:56:49,520
are that use my male mother skills so it

1482
00:56:55,829 --> 00:56:53,359
you're you're never going to be uh

1483
00:56:56,549 --> 00:56:55,839
anything but a father

1484
00:57:00,150 --> 00:56:56,559
if

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00:57:02,150 --> 00:57:00,160
always going to be a father no matter

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00:57:05,270 --> 00:57:02,160
how old your your children are and

1487
00:57:07,589 --> 00:57:05,280
there's always opportunities at any age

1488
00:57:09,670 --> 00:57:07,599
to provide them with the support they

1489
00:57:11,670 --> 00:57:09,680
need to develop the things that they

1490
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:11,680
didn't maybe learn early on because you

1491
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didn't have the skills

1492
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excellent

1493
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and if somebody wants to get a copy of

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your book the male mother the missing

1495
00:57:22,950 --> 00:57:20,720
skill set for fathers

1496
00:57:25,589 --> 00:57:22,960
well it's available at amazon in two

1497
00:57:27,670 --> 00:57:25,599
forms it's available as an e-book

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for almost nothing i think it's four

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dollars

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and and then it's also available as a

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print-on-demand book from amazon from

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createspace

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uh and it's a little bit more i think

1504
00:57:39,270 --> 00:57:37,760
it's 15

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00:57:41,829 --> 00:57:39,280
so if you want a book in your hand you

1506
00:57:43,270 --> 00:57:41,839
pay 15 if you can if you have a kindle

1507
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or a

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00:57:47,670 --> 00:57:46,079
device where you can do a an e-book

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00:57:48,950 --> 00:57:47,680
you can buy it for a lot less and read

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00:57:49,750 --> 00:57:48,960
it there

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00:57:52,150 --> 00:57:49,760
but

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00:57:54,150 --> 00:57:52,160
i encourage you if you're a young father

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00:57:56,470 --> 00:57:54,160
or if you're a grandfather or a father

1514
00:57:58,230 --> 00:57:56,480
of children of any age that you can

1515
00:58:00,230 --> 00:57:58,240
learn something from this that will help

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00:58:02,950 --> 00:58:00,240
your your children

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00:58:04,870 --> 00:58:02,960
excellent barry wonderful conversation

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00:58:05,829 --> 00:58:04,880
thank you so much for coming on well

1519
00:58:08,230 --> 00:58:05,839
again

1520
00:58:10,789 --> 00:58:08,240
yeah well thank you i and actually this

1521
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is the first book of a series of four

1522
00:58:14,789 --> 00:58:12,960
so i might ask you to come on again when

1523
00:58:16,549 --> 00:58:14,799
i start talking about the other books

1524
00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:16,559
well you know i love talking to you it's

1525
00:58:21,349 --> 00:58:19,200
always a great conversation so

1526
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and everybody learned something the male

1527
00:58:27,510 --> 00:58:24,799
mother huh who'd have thought yeah

1528
00:58:29,190 --> 00:58:27,520
well actually i i actually that title is

1529
00:58:31,349 --> 00:58:29,200
a bit provocative and i kept it there

1530
00:58:35,190 --> 00:58:31,359
for that reason i think it would create

1531
00:58:37,349 --> 00:58:35,200
some interest and and curiosity so i

1532
00:58:39,190 --> 00:58:37,359
hope i think it works

1533
00:58:41,109 --> 00:58:39,200
all right barry i need to let you go

1534
00:58:42,390 --> 00:58:41,119
because the music is going to be coming

1535
00:58:45,190 --> 00:58:42,400
up okay

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00:58:47,750 --> 00:58:45,200
thank you again all right thank you all

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00:58:49,829 --> 00:58:47,760
right bye barry bye-bye rita that's

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barry weinhold his book is the male

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mother the missing skill set for fathers

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hello and welcome back to just energy

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radio i'm your host dr rita louise and

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thank you all for staying tuned to the

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second hour of the show

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oh my god you know you have those

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moments where you get to hang out or

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interact with just spectacular people in

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this hour you're going to hang out and

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visit with

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the famous eric von danigan and we're

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going to pick his brain and find out

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everything he knows about

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ancient aliens and extraterrestrials

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let me tell you a little bit about eric

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and get them on the air

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01:07:04,549 --> 01:07:02,240
for over 45 years eric von daniken has

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01:07:06,349 --> 01:07:04,559
pursued the theory which postulates that

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01:07:09,270 --> 01:07:06,359
the earth has been visited by

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extraterrestrials in the remote past

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01:07:13,670 --> 01:07:11,440
eric the world's most successful

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01:07:16,549 --> 01:07:13,680
non-fiction writer of all time has

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01:07:19,190 --> 01:07:16,559
written 55 books and e-media on the

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01:07:20,390 --> 01:07:19,200
topic and has sold over 65 million

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01:07:23,190 --> 01:07:20,400
copies

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01:07:25,990 --> 01:07:23,200
worldwide a man who probably doesn't

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01:07:28,470 --> 01:07:26,000
need an introduction on this show his

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web page is danican.com

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01:07:33,430 --> 01:07:31,680
please welcome eric vondanigan hey eric

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01:07:35,990 --> 01:07:33,440
how are you

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01:07:39,029 --> 01:07:36,000
well i'm sitting in switzerland it's

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blue sky the mountains are full with

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01:07:44,710 --> 01:07:42,480
white snow it's very spectacular

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01:07:47,190 --> 01:07:44,720
well that just sounds wonderful i'm

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01:07:51,109 --> 01:07:47,200
sitting here in texas and we have blue

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01:07:53,750 --> 01:07:51,119
skies no snow thank god

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01:07:58,549 --> 01:07:56,470
eric you are the godfather of the

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01:08:01,109 --> 01:07:58,559
ancient alien theory

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01:08:03,270 --> 01:08:01,119
and and my question to you is not about

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01:08:06,069 --> 01:08:03,280
the theory but what

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01:08:08,710 --> 01:08:06,079
made you first suspect

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01:08:11,349 --> 01:08:08,720
that just had that inkling

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01:08:14,150 --> 01:08:11,359
that the gods of the bible or or the

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01:08:16,870 --> 01:08:14,160
gods that we worship and pray to

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01:08:18,950 --> 01:08:16,880
were not omnipotent beings

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like we've been taught to believe

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01:08:25,749 --> 01:08:22,480
but instead were extraterrestrials

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01:08:28,309 --> 01:08:25,759
well it's a long long time ago you see i

1738
01:08:29,590 --> 01:08:28,319
was educated in switzerland as a strict

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01:08:32,470 --> 01:08:29,600
catholic

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01:08:35,669 --> 01:08:32,480
and for six years i was in a boarding

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01:08:38,789 --> 01:08:35,679
school in switzerland led by jesuits so

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01:08:42,390 --> 01:08:38,799
i was a boy with 16 years and i was a

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01:08:44,789 --> 01:08:42,400
deep deep believer in the concept of god

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01:08:47,590 --> 01:08:44,799
by the way i still believe in god also i

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01:08:51,669 --> 01:08:47,600
cannot explain it so at that time when i

1746
01:08:52,709 --> 01:08:51,679
was a boy i said to myself

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01:08:56,309 --> 01:08:52,719
some

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01:08:58,070 --> 01:08:56,319
minimum qualities for example god would

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01:09:01,590 --> 01:08:58,080
never make a mistake

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01:09:03,430 --> 01:09:01,600
or god is out of time he would not need

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01:09:06,070 --> 01:09:03,440
to make an experience and then he has to

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01:09:09,430 --> 01:09:06,080
read what the result is what the outcome

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01:09:12,470 --> 01:09:09,440
is or god of course would never need a

1754
01:09:14,789 --> 01:09:12,480
vehicle to to move from point a to point

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01:09:16,149 --> 01:09:14,799
b god is all over

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01:09:18,950 --> 01:09:16,159
so in this

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01:09:21,349 --> 01:09:18,960
boring school we had to translate parts

1758
01:09:24,309 --> 01:09:21,359
of the bible from latin to greeks and

1759
01:09:27,269 --> 01:09:24,319
from greek to german and there i learned

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01:09:30,950 --> 01:09:27,279
that the god of the old testament had

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none of these minimum qualities god made

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01:09:35,990 --> 01:09:34,000
mistakes he used vehicles he made

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01:09:38,309 --> 01:09:36,000
experiences and he didn't know the

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01:09:41,349 --> 01:09:38,319
result in advance so i was simply

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01:09:44,550 --> 01:09:41,359
shocked and i had doubts in my own

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01:09:47,590 --> 01:09:44,560
religious education and i wanted to find

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01:09:50,390 --> 01:09:47,600
out if other communities in antiquity

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01:09:51,669 --> 01:09:50,400
have similar stories of flying beings

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01:09:54,390 --> 01:09:51,679
descending

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from the clouds with smoke fire loud

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01:10:00,390 --> 01:09:57,520
mouse noise trembling at all that was

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01:10:03,750 --> 01:10:00,400
the beginning of everything and it all

1773
01:10:06,790 --> 01:10:03,760
ended with the book chariots of the gods

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01:10:09,270 --> 01:10:06,800
what made you make the connection you

1775
01:10:11,030 --> 01:10:09,280
know connect the dots between

1776
01:10:14,149 --> 01:10:11,040
these characters that you were reading

1777
01:10:14,950 --> 01:10:14,159
about in the bible and other mythology

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01:10:17,030 --> 01:10:14,960
or

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01:10:20,390 --> 01:10:17,040
philosophical systems and

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01:10:21,990 --> 01:10:20,400
extraterrestrials because i would think

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01:10:24,149 --> 01:10:22,000
back in that day

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01:10:27,590 --> 01:10:24,159
you know the notion of extraterrestrials

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01:10:30,870 --> 01:10:27,600
wasn't that i'm going to say popular

1784
01:10:33,910 --> 01:10:30,880
no it was not popular at all you see i

1785
01:10:36,870 --> 01:10:33,920
was always aware i always knew that our

1786
01:10:40,390 --> 01:10:36,880
stone age ancestors they had some

1787
01:10:43,350 --> 01:10:40,400
natural religions for example our stone

1788
01:10:44,709 --> 01:10:43,360
age people some 10 000 years ago they

1789
01:10:47,189 --> 01:10:44,719
did not know

1790
01:10:49,830 --> 01:10:47,199
why the lightning flashes down from the

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01:10:53,189 --> 01:10:49,840
sky they could not understand what the

1792
01:10:55,510 --> 01:10:53,199
thunder was maybe they were victims of

1793
01:10:58,390 --> 01:10:55,520
an earthquake or something so they

1794
01:11:00,870 --> 01:10:58,400
started to be afraid of nature and the

1795
01:11:03,990 --> 01:11:00,880
first religions we had on our planet

1796
01:11:07,030 --> 01:11:04,000
were definitely natural religions

1797
01:11:09,990 --> 01:11:07,040
but then of a sudden something changed

1798
01:11:12,950 --> 01:11:10,000
beings from the clouds from the sky

1799
01:11:15,270 --> 01:11:12,960
descended to the humans now how can you

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01:11:17,590 --> 01:11:15,280
make a difference between these beings

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01:11:19,510 --> 01:11:17,600
and natural religion i mean the

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01:11:21,590 --> 01:11:19,520
lightning is also descending from the

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01:11:22,709 --> 01:11:21,600
cloud or a thundering is coming from the

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01:11:25,910 --> 01:11:22,719
cloud

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01:11:27,910 --> 01:11:25,920
the difference is between the knowledge

1806
01:11:31,750 --> 01:11:27,920
you see these beings from outer space

1807
01:11:34,709 --> 01:11:31,760
these so-called gods they teach humans

1808
01:11:37,830 --> 01:11:34,719
they say to them uh loch youn go there

1809
01:11:40,390 --> 01:11:37,840
and there and if you are there

1810
01:11:43,189 --> 01:11:40,400
you will see a little light and you

1811
01:11:45,990 --> 01:11:43,199
humans you call this little light moon

1812
01:11:48,870 --> 01:11:46,000
but the moon has in reality no

1813
01:11:49,669 --> 01:11:48,880
no light the moon receives his light

1814
01:11:52,630 --> 01:11:49,679
from

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01:11:55,590 --> 01:11:52,640
the sun and then they explained our

1816
01:11:57,510 --> 01:11:55,600
humans the the the moon why the high

1817
01:11:59,270 --> 01:11:57,520
moon the low moon and all these things

1818
01:12:01,270 --> 01:11:59,280
are working so

1819
01:12:03,830 --> 01:12:01,280
it was information information in

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01:12:06,149 --> 01:12:03,840
astronomy sometimes information about

1821
01:12:09,110 --> 01:12:06,159
the date about our calendar about the

1822
01:12:12,550 --> 01:12:09,120
leak here etc and all this was not the

1823
01:12:14,790 --> 01:12:12,560
same as nature nature did not speak

1824
01:12:16,709 --> 01:12:14,800
nature did not gave scientific

1825
01:12:19,110 --> 01:12:16,719
information so if you had to make a

1826
01:12:20,790 --> 01:12:19,120
difference between the natural gods and

1827
01:12:23,430 --> 01:12:20,800
the ones from outer space

1828
01:12:25,189 --> 01:12:23,440
so that was the next link i had of

1829
01:12:28,149 --> 01:12:25,199
course in the beginning i was still very

1830
01:12:30,630 --> 01:12:28,159
young then about 19 20 years old uh all

1831
01:12:33,270 --> 01:12:30,640
my friends and eric you must be crazy

1832
01:12:35,669 --> 01:12:33,280
and in the school i was the you know the

1833
01:12:37,750 --> 01:12:35,679
the partners the teachers they were all

1834
01:12:40,229 --> 01:12:37,760
professors i talked to them very

1835
01:12:42,310 --> 01:12:40,239
friendly how what about this and they

1836
01:12:44,310 --> 01:12:42,320
just said eric you must read more and

1837
01:12:46,630 --> 01:12:44,320
more in the bible and more and more of

1838
01:12:49,110 --> 01:12:46,640
our holy books then you will understand

1839
01:12:51,110 --> 01:12:49,120
and i read and read and read and my

1840
01:12:55,270 --> 01:12:51,120
understanding have more and more

1841
01:12:59,430 --> 01:12:57,350
but after all of that reading did you

1842
01:13:02,550 --> 01:12:59,440
find that your

1843
01:13:04,870 --> 01:13:02,560
belief in um the gods being

1844
01:13:06,870 --> 01:13:04,880
extraterrestrials

1845
01:13:09,669 --> 01:13:06,880
increase or

1846
01:13:11,990 --> 01:13:09,679
did it did you just get more confused

1847
01:13:14,470 --> 01:13:12,000
no no it definitely increased

1848
01:13:16,550 --> 01:13:14,480
of course i made some mistakes you know

1849
01:13:17,669 --> 01:13:16,560
when you are a young man by the way at

1850
01:13:20,630 --> 01:13:17,679
that time

1851
01:13:22,950 --> 01:13:20,640
i came from the family of hotel business

1852
01:13:26,310 --> 01:13:22,960
my mother and my father they were owner

1853
01:13:28,790 --> 01:13:26,320
of a hotel so after my hike school i

1854
01:13:31,750 --> 01:13:28,800
first went into the hotel business there

1855
01:13:33,510 --> 01:13:31,760
were times when i was simply a waiter i

1856
01:13:36,870 --> 01:13:33,520
was a cook i was sitting at the

1857
01:13:38,790 --> 01:13:36,880
reception desk i was in the hotel school

1858
01:13:41,430 --> 01:13:38,800
for two and a half years and when i

1859
01:13:43,430 --> 01:13:41,440
wrote chariots of the guards i was the

1860
01:13:45,990 --> 01:13:43,440
managing director of a first-class hotel

1861
01:13:49,510 --> 01:13:46,000
in switzerland so i had to work at the

1862
01:13:51,830 --> 01:13:49,520
same time to make money so of course my

1863
01:13:52,870 --> 01:13:51,840
belief in the extraterrestrial growth

1864
01:13:55,590 --> 01:13:52,880
they

1865
01:13:57,910 --> 01:13:55,600
were stem stronger and stronger all

1866
01:13:59,590 --> 01:13:57,920
through i made some mistakes

1867
01:14:02,229 --> 01:13:59,600
when you are young you are not

1868
01:14:04,950 --> 01:14:02,239
self-critical enough you believe

1869
01:14:05,750 --> 01:14:04,960
everything what someone says

1870
01:14:08,229 --> 01:14:05,760
and

1871
01:14:10,070 --> 01:14:08,239
you know you always want to have right

1872
01:14:12,630 --> 01:14:10,080
so in chariots of the gods there are a

1873
01:14:15,270 --> 01:14:12,640
few mistakes which i was criticized for

1874
01:14:18,470 --> 01:14:15,280
that's that's okay but later you learn

1875
01:14:21,350 --> 01:14:18,480
and learn and learn and you try do not

1876
01:14:23,590 --> 01:14:21,360
make the same mistakes a second time

1877
01:14:26,070 --> 01:14:23,600
whether you're young or old it seems

1878
01:14:29,270 --> 01:14:26,080
like you gather the information you

1879
01:14:31,030 --> 01:14:29,280
synthesize it the best you can and you

1880
01:14:32,709 --> 01:14:31,040
present it

1881
01:14:35,270 --> 01:14:32,719
you know as as

1882
01:14:38,149 --> 01:14:35,280
best you can with the best meaning that

1883
01:14:39,669 --> 01:14:38,159
you can and you know are you 100 correct

1884
01:14:40,830 --> 01:14:39,679
all of the time

1885
01:14:42,390 --> 01:14:40,840
no not

1886
01:14:44,390 --> 01:14:42,400
necessarily

1887
01:14:45,750 --> 01:14:44,400
yeah we are all making mistakes of

1888
01:14:48,070 --> 01:14:45,760
course

1889
01:14:50,790 --> 01:14:48,080
but the belief in the meantime it's not

1890
01:14:53,270 --> 01:14:50,800
a belief anymore i have too many

1891
01:14:56,790 --> 01:14:53,280
indications i would even say too many

1892
01:14:59,189 --> 01:14:56,800
proofs which clearly show this planet

1893
01:15:01,430 --> 01:14:59,199
was visited by beings from outer space

1894
01:15:04,790 --> 01:15:01,440
and before these beings left they

1895
01:15:07,830 --> 01:15:04,800
promised to our ancestors to return when

1896
01:15:10,550 --> 01:15:07,840
they again back to earth that's why in

1897
01:15:12,709 --> 01:15:10,560
every religion still today in every

1898
01:15:16,149 --> 01:15:12,719
living religion we all have the

1899
01:15:18,229 --> 01:15:16,159
expectation of the return of some gods

1900
01:15:20,950 --> 01:15:18,239
we christians we believe that jesus will

1901
01:15:24,229 --> 01:15:20,960
return one day but the muslim society

1902
01:15:26,229 --> 01:15:24,239
believes that mahadi will return one day

1903
01:15:28,550 --> 01:15:26,239
as we know the buddhistic society

1904
01:15:30,870 --> 01:15:28,560
expects the returning of buddha or the

1905
01:15:33,910 --> 01:15:30,880
great jewish community they wait for the

1906
01:15:37,430 --> 01:15:33,920
return of their messiah so this promise

1907
01:15:38,390 --> 01:15:37,440
of return is very very old and i am

1908
01:15:41,750 --> 01:15:38,400
afraid

1909
01:15:43,350 --> 01:15:41,760
not every religion can be right some of

1910
01:15:46,870 --> 01:15:43,360
them must be wrong

1911
01:15:47,750 --> 01:15:46,880
so what what happens if they all are

1912
01:15:49,590 --> 01:15:47,760
wrong

1913
01:15:52,870 --> 01:15:49,600
somebody will return

1914
01:15:54,709 --> 01:15:52,880
but i guess neither messiah or jesus or

1915
01:15:57,830 --> 01:15:54,719
mahadi or buddha simply

1916
01:16:03,910 --> 01:16:00,390
i have a question for you when we look

1917
01:16:05,910 --> 01:16:03,920
at the the stories the mythology the

1918
01:16:08,229 --> 01:16:05,920
legends that come out of cultures around

1919
01:16:11,830 --> 01:16:08,239
the world as you're suggesting

1920
01:16:14,790 --> 01:16:11,840
the return of the gods or messiah we

1921
01:16:16,950 --> 01:16:14,800
find that same storyline or

1922
01:16:19,110 --> 01:16:16,960
lots of different storylines stories of

1923
01:16:21,270 --> 01:16:19,120
the flood stories of them coming from

1924
01:16:24,229 --> 01:16:21,280
the sky

1925
01:16:26,070 --> 01:16:24,239
in each of these cultures that seem

1926
01:16:28,870 --> 01:16:26,080
isolated you know we find it in

1927
01:16:31,030 --> 01:16:28,880
australia we find it in the new world we

1928
01:16:32,229 --> 01:16:31,040
find it obviously in europe and the

1929
01:16:36,630 --> 01:16:32,239
middle east

1930
01:16:39,189 --> 01:16:36,640
any idea how these uh stories manage to

1931
01:16:42,310 --> 01:16:39,199
make it all the way around the world

1932
01:16:44,229 --> 01:16:42,320
well i make an example with christianity

1933
01:16:46,950 --> 01:16:44,239
we know that we had a

1934
01:16:48,950 --> 01:16:46,960
wonderful figure called jesus christ he

1935
01:16:50,390 --> 01:16:48,960
was living in jerusalem some two

1936
01:16:53,350 --> 01:16:50,400
thousand years ago

1937
01:16:56,390 --> 01:16:53,360
we know from the gospels that he died

1938
01:16:59,430 --> 01:16:56,400
and and etc so we know all this story

1939
01:17:01,830 --> 01:16:59,440
then a christian culture appears that

1940
01:17:05,510 --> 01:17:01,840
christian culture has constructed great

1941
01:17:08,790 --> 01:17:05,520
cathedrals wonderful churches wonderful

1942
01:17:12,550 --> 01:17:08,800
high altors wonderful music i think of

1943
01:17:15,350 --> 01:17:12,560
of sebastian bach with the orchestra etc

1944
01:17:18,950 --> 01:17:15,360
it's all a christian cultures but no

1945
01:17:23,189 --> 01:17:18,960
architect no painter no

1946
01:17:26,709 --> 01:17:23,199
artist no musicians was eyewitness at

1947
01:17:29,430 --> 01:17:26,719
the time of jesus they all just worked

1948
01:17:31,590 --> 01:17:29,440
out of touches tradition the same thing

1949
01:17:34,790 --> 01:17:31,600
happened with the extraterrestrials

1950
01:17:37,350 --> 01:17:34,800
some of our ancestors they saw these

1951
01:17:40,550 --> 01:17:37,360
extraterrestrials they had the direct

1952
01:17:43,750 --> 01:17:40,560
contact and then it turned into

1953
01:17:46,630 --> 01:17:43,760
mythology and mythology grows all over

1954
01:17:49,030 --> 01:17:46,640
the planet maybe different cultures had

1955
01:17:52,149 --> 01:17:49,040
some visits of these extraterrestries

1956
01:17:55,510 --> 01:17:52,159
not everyone and later because of the

1957
01:17:58,709 --> 01:17:55,520
knowledge in in tradition they start to

1958
01:18:01,669 --> 01:17:58,719
make cave paintings they start to sculpt

1959
01:18:03,830 --> 01:18:01,679
of the gods into their temples and so on

1960
01:18:05,590 --> 01:18:03,840
so it is not necessary that these

1961
01:18:08,470 --> 01:18:05,600
extraterrestrials were all over the

1962
01:18:10,550 --> 01:18:08,480
world but the traditions have grown all

1963
01:18:12,630 --> 01:18:10,560
over the world like christianity like

1964
01:18:14,470 --> 01:18:12,640
every other religion

1965
01:18:17,510 --> 01:18:14,480
and the part that

1966
01:18:19,910 --> 01:18:17,520
i i would like to throw in is it sounds

1967
01:18:22,310 --> 01:18:19,920
like from your perspective the stories

1968
01:18:26,310 --> 01:18:22,320
that have come down to us

1969
01:18:29,110 --> 01:18:26,320
you believe there is a basis in fact at

1970
01:18:30,310 --> 01:18:29,120
some point time in our past

1971
01:18:32,310 --> 01:18:30,320
definitely

1972
01:18:34,470 --> 01:18:32,320
yes you see

1973
01:18:37,030 --> 01:18:34,480
these extraterrestrials they beheld

1974
01:18:38,070 --> 01:18:37,040
themselves like today's technologists

1975
01:18:40,470 --> 01:18:38,080
would do

1976
01:18:43,270 --> 01:18:40,480
they studied a few tribes they learned

1977
01:18:44,070 --> 01:18:43,280
the few language they gave a few advice

1978
01:18:46,870 --> 01:18:44,080
how

1979
01:18:49,430 --> 01:18:46,880
life could could be easier and then they

1980
01:18:52,390 --> 01:18:49,440
disappeared with the promise to return

1981
01:18:55,350 --> 01:18:52,400
in the far away future but i think

1982
01:18:58,229 --> 01:18:55,360
they just did not disappear without any

1983
01:19:01,830 --> 01:18:58,239
proof they left something behind

1984
01:19:04,310 --> 01:19:01,840
something which i call a time capsule in

1985
01:19:07,750 --> 01:19:04,320
this time capsule we would find some

1986
01:19:10,630 --> 01:19:07,760
writings in whatever form which on which

1987
01:19:12,310 --> 01:19:10,640
we are explained we were here from that

1988
01:19:15,030 --> 01:19:12,320
in that planet with that

1989
01:19:18,070 --> 01:19:15,040
technology for that that reason we found

1990
01:19:21,030 --> 01:19:18,080
that that here we talk to them etc we

1991
01:19:24,470 --> 01:19:21,040
will return but the problem is if you

1992
01:19:26,870 --> 01:19:24,480
make a deposit i call it a time capsule

1993
01:19:30,390 --> 01:19:26,880
somewhere in the earth you have to be

1994
01:19:34,870 --> 01:19:30,400
very careful that during the next 5 000

1995
01:19:38,070 --> 01:19:34,880
years this time capsule is not destroyed

1996
01:19:41,270 --> 01:19:38,080
beat by earthquakes beat by by great

1997
01:19:44,229 --> 01:19:41,280
flood beat by ants or animals or

1998
01:19:46,870 --> 01:19:44,239
whatever so how do you manage this

1999
01:19:50,070 --> 01:19:46,880
we have to think what would be a logical

2000
01:19:52,390 --> 01:19:50,080
place to look for a time capsule left

2001
01:19:54,149 --> 01:19:52,400
behind by the extraterrestrials some

2002
01:19:56,709 --> 01:19:54,159
thousands of years ago

2003
01:19:59,750 --> 01:19:56,719
one possibility is that they left for

2004
01:20:01,830 --> 01:19:59,760
example a simple satellite a satellite

2005
01:20:02,950 --> 01:20:01,840
surrounding the earth not bigger than a

2006
01:20:05,750 --> 01:20:02,960
football

2007
01:20:08,229 --> 01:20:05,760
now in the satellite they would know

2008
01:20:10,310 --> 01:20:08,239
it is not destroyed neither by great

2009
01:20:12,550 --> 01:20:10,320
flood neither by earthquakes neither by

2010
01:20:14,070 --> 01:20:12,560
animals ants and whatever but the

2011
01:20:16,950 --> 01:20:14,080
problem is now

2012
01:20:19,510 --> 01:20:16,960
you plant this satellite 5000 years in

2013
01:20:22,709 --> 01:20:19,520
the past around the orbit of the earth

2014
01:20:24,470 --> 01:20:22,719
how do you manage it now that the humans

2015
01:20:27,990 --> 01:20:24,480
five thousand years later

2016
01:20:30,550 --> 01:20:28,000
go and look for the satellite the humans

2017
01:20:32,709 --> 01:20:30,560
have to have a reason to seek to search

2018
01:20:35,270 --> 01:20:32,719
to make resurgent even if you have a

2019
01:20:36,550 --> 01:20:35,280
time capsule let's say someone beneath

2020
01:20:38,310 --> 01:20:36,560
the pyramid

2021
01:20:41,430 --> 01:20:38,320
somebody in the future has to come to

2022
01:20:44,229 --> 01:20:41,440
the idea hey there must be something

2023
01:20:46,630 --> 01:20:44,239
so they left indications and these

2024
01:20:50,390 --> 01:20:46,640
indications we can prove

2025
01:20:53,030 --> 01:20:50,400
in my over 35 books i

2026
01:20:54,950 --> 01:20:53,040
have published many of these indications

2027
01:20:58,470 --> 01:20:54,960
some of them are maybe perfectly

2028
01:21:00,630 --> 01:20:58,480
wonderful others may be bad it's on to

2029
01:21:02,950 --> 01:21:00,640
the scientific community to make a

2030
01:21:06,070 --> 01:21:02,960
choice what is reasonable or what is

2031
01:21:08,070 --> 01:21:06,080
unreasonable but at least because of all

2032
01:21:10,709 --> 01:21:08,080
these indications we have now the

2033
01:21:13,750 --> 01:21:10,719
question we have to question something

2034
01:21:16,709 --> 01:21:13,760
was wrong in our past in prehistory time

2035
01:21:18,709 --> 01:21:16,719
now we ask why can we explain that was

2036
01:21:21,669 --> 01:21:18,719
there maybe a higher civilization at

2037
01:21:23,750 --> 01:21:21,679
that time than our civilization today if

2038
01:21:25,430 --> 01:21:23,760
not have we been visited by

2039
01:21:27,110 --> 01:21:25,440
extraterrestrials

2040
01:21:30,070 --> 01:21:27,120
and if we have been visited by

2041
01:21:31,270 --> 01:21:30,080
extraterrestrials where is the concrete

2042
01:21:33,910 --> 01:21:31,280
preproof

2043
01:21:35,030 --> 01:21:33,920
that's exactly the situation we have

2044
01:21:37,430 --> 01:21:35,040
today

2045
01:21:39,750 --> 01:21:37,440
because of the indications we have now

2046
01:21:43,270 --> 01:21:39,760
the question now it's time for a

2047
01:21:45,350 --> 01:21:43,280
scientific community to look to search

2048
01:21:47,430 --> 01:21:45,360
for what i call the time capsule and we

2049
01:21:49,430 --> 01:21:47,440
will find it

2050
01:21:51,910 --> 01:21:49,440
what kind of indications are you talking

2051
01:21:53,110 --> 01:21:51,920
about can you give a few examples

2052
01:21:55,430 --> 01:21:53,120
of course

2053
01:21:58,070 --> 01:21:55,440
everyone knows ancient greek ancient

2054
01:22:00,149 --> 01:21:58,080
greece is full of temples everybody

2055
01:22:03,830 --> 01:22:00,159
knows maybe of delphi

2056
01:22:07,189 --> 01:22:03,840
of epidaurus of different old ancient

2057
01:22:10,390 --> 01:22:07,199
temples now all these temples are linked

2058
01:22:12,149 --> 01:22:10,400
together in the same distance with the

2059
01:22:14,390 --> 01:22:12,159
same geometric and

2060
01:22:17,510 --> 01:22:14,400
geometrical angle

2061
01:22:18,470 --> 01:22:17,520
there is a whole network over antique

2062
01:22:21,189 --> 01:22:18,480
greece

2063
01:22:23,910 --> 01:22:21,199
now one could say well maybe the old

2064
01:22:27,030 --> 01:22:23,920
greeks they planned their temple their

2065
01:22:29,110 --> 01:22:27,040
temples in a geometrical pattern because

2066
01:22:32,310 --> 01:22:29,120
in greece we had wonderful

2067
01:22:35,830 --> 01:22:32,320
mathematicians like alkhlete for example

2068
01:22:39,110 --> 01:22:35,840
or plato or pythagoras but all these

2069
01:22:42,310 --> 01:22:39,120
temples existed already in stone age

2070
01:22:46,070 --> 01:22:42,320
time so there was a holy place in stone

2071
01:22:48,709 --> 01:22:46,080
aged time which later becomes a temple

2072
01:22:52,070 --> 01:22:48,719
like delphi and epidaurus so

2073
01:22:55,590 --> 01:22:52,080
this geometrical pattern was laid down

2074
01:22:57,750 --> 01:22:55,600
before a cleat before pythagoras before

2075
01:23:00,310 --> 01:22:57,760
plato it is older

2076
01:23:02,550 --> 01:23:00,320
now our stone age people

2077
01:23:05,590 --> 01:23:02,560
they knew nothing about mathematics and

2078
01:23:08,550 --> 01:23:05,600
geometry why should they put their

2079
01:23:11,110 --> 01:23:08,560
temples in the same distance from one to

2080
01:23:13,990 --> 01:23:11,120
another in the same geometrical angle

2081
01:23:16,229 --> 01:23:14,000
and in some cases these temples are far

2082
01:23:18,629 --> 01:23:16,239
away from one to each other for example

2083
01:23:21,510 --> 01:23:18,639
between greece and and

2084
01:23:23,350 --> 01:23:21,520
the mediterranean islands of creta

2085
01:23:26,229 --> 01:23:23,360
there's a distance which you cannot look

2086
01:23:28,870 --> 01:23:26,239
over by the by the naked eye so there

2087
01:23:29,990 --> 01:23:28,880
was a planning behind it who made this

2088
01:23:31,510 --> 01:23:30,000
planning

2089
01:23:33,910 --> 01:23:31,520
i suggested

2090
01:23:36,629 --> 01:23:33,920
these extraterrestrials were worshiped

2091
01:23:39,030 --> 01:23:36,639
by by the humans as the gods

2092
01:23:41,590 --> 01:23:39,040
of course the extraterrestries knew we

2093
01:23:43,510 --> 01:23:41,600
are not god they even told them you

2094
01:23:46,070 --> 01:23:43,520
should make no pictures about god we are

2095
01:23:49,350 --> 01:23:46,080
not gods but the humans adored them and

2096
01:23:52,149 --> 01:23:49,360
the humans may said we want to create

2097
01:23:54,310 --> 01:23:52,159
some memory from you for you for a

2098
01:23:56,550 --> 01:23:54,320
temple for the future generations and

2099
01:23:59,590 --> 01:23:56,560
the so-called god said okay we accept

2100
01:24:01,910 --> 01:23:59,600
this but please make your temple exactly

2101
01:24:04,629 --> 01:24:01,920
at this place and not another and the

2102
01:24:07,590 --> 01:24:04,639
next temple are this place etc

2103
01:24:10,550 --> 01:24:07,600
they knew that mankind after a few

2104
01:24:13,270 --> 01:24:10,560
thousand years would be able to fly and

2105
01:24:15,669 --> 01:24:13,280
they knew that mankind after a few

2106
01:24:18,310 --> 01:24:15,679
thousand years they would make a maps on

2107
01:24:20,550 --> 01:24:18,320
their on their landscapes and sooner or

2108
01:24:22,790 --> 01:24:20,560
later they would realize something is

2109
01:24:25,350 --> 01:24:22,800
wrong here because of the same distance

2110
01:24:28,390 --> 01:24:25,360
in the same angles and that's

2111
01:24:31,990 --> 01:24:28,400
exactly the indications which they put

2112
01:24:34,149 --> 01:24:32,000
on purpose in the deep past for mankind

2113
01:24:37,510 --> 01:24:34,159
of the future

2114
01:24:39,590 --> 01:24:37,520
do you find similar patterns of

2115
01:24:42,550 --> 01:24:39,600
i'm going to say more contemporary

2116
01:24:45,590 --> 01:24:42,560
structures speaking like greek

2117
01:24:47,990 --> 01:24:45,600
being built onto older structures and

2118
01:24:49,669 --> 01:24:48,000
then this network or pattern being

2119
01:24:50,709 --> 01:24:49,679
formed as well

2120
01:24:54,390 --> 01:24:50,719
exactly

2121
01:24:56,950 --> 01:24:54,400
all these greek temples existed in stone

2122
01:25:00,550 --> 01:24:56,960
age temples and stone age times they

2123
01:25:02,790 --> 01:25:00,560
were primitive holy places in stone age

2124
01:25:05,110 --> 01:25:02,800
times you see today

2125
01:25:08,149 --> 01:25:05,120
when you have a place of pilgrim for

2126
01:25:10,229 --> 01:25:08,159
example some children say

2127
01:25:13,270 --> 01:25:10,239
we had a vision of the holy mother of

2128
01:25:16,229 --> 01:25:13,280
jesus now this pilgrim place in the

2129
01:25:18,550 --> 01:25:16,239
beginning is only an altar later it's a

2130
01:25:20,470 --> 01:25:18,560
little chapter then more and more people

2131
01:25:22,229 --> 01:25:20,480
can buy if they want to visit the holy

2132
01:25:25,350 --> 01:25:22,239
place then the first

2133
01:25:29,030 --> 01:25:25,360
church is built and later the first

2134
01:25:31,990 --> 01:25:29,040
hotel and the first water papers etc so

2135
01:25:34,709 --> 01:25:32,000
all these pyramid places they grow and

2136
01:25:36,709 --> 01:25:34,719
grow from big antique antiquity to the

2137
01:25:37,990 --> 01:25:36,719
present the same thing happened in

2138
01:25:41,189 --> 01:25:38,000
ancient greece

2139
01:25:43,830 --> 01:25:41,199
in prehistory time in stone age time

2140
01:25:46,950 --> 01:25:43,840
there was already a primitive holy place

2141
01:25:49,750 --> 01:25:46,960
there and later the places grow to

2142
01:25:52,149 --> 01:25:49,760
delphi to epidurals to whatever it is

2143
01:25:54,229 --> 01:25:52,159
the acropolis etc

2144
01:25:56,390 --> 01:25:54,239
but we also have such things in in other

2145
01:25:58,550 --> 01:25:56,400
places of the world for example in

2146
01:26:01,990 --> 01:25:58,560
french brittany which is not too far

2147
01:26:03,990 --> 01:26:02,000
away from from my place it's about 700

2148
01:26:07,270 --> 01:26:04,000
kilometers from switzerland in french

2149
01:26:10,950 --> 01:26:07,280
britany they are thousands and thousands

2150
01:26:13,110 --> 01:26:10,960
of stones made out of granite granite

2151
01:26:15,350 --> 01:26:13,120
in specific lines

2152
01:26:18,229 --> 01:26:15,360
now there were speculations over the

2153
01:26:21,830 --> 01:26:18,239
centuries what for what have our stone

2154
01:26:24,870 --> 01:26:21,840
age person made these stone lines it was

2155
01:26:27,350 --> 01:26:24,880
suggested maybe it's just a place for

2156
01:26:30,149 --> 01:26:27,360
astronomy you can watch the stars you

2157
01:26:31,350 --> 01:26:30,159
can see when how the moon goes up etc

2158
01:26:33,430 --> 01:26:31,360
etc

2159
01:26:36,149 --> 01:26:33,440
only a few decades ago

2160
01:26:38,550 --> 01:26:36,159
it was in 1976

2161
01:26:41,910 --> 01:26:38,560
the whole places were photographed and

2162
01:26:43,590 --> 01:26:41,920
filmed by helicopters and then they

2163
01:26:46,390 --> 01:26:43,600
made the pattern on earth and they

2164
01:26:49,510 --> 01:26:46,400
realized that these stone lines are not

2165
01:26:52,550 --> 01:26:49,520
standing there by coincidence it's all a

2166
01:26:54,110 --> 01:26:52,560
geometrical pattern it's always the same

2167
01:26:57,750 --> 01:26:54,120
length of

2168
01:27:02,070 --> 01:26:57,760
2650 meters it's always the same angles

2169
01:27:05,270 --> 01:27:02,080
or exactly the health of 2560 meters so

2170
01:27:08,310 --> 01:27:05,280
we find pythagorean triangles in the

2171
01:27:10,629 --> 01:27:08,320
ground made out in stones from a stone

2172
01:27:12,070 --> 01:27:10,639
age society which knew nothing about

2173
01:27:13,189 --> 01:27:12,080
pythagoras

2174
01:27:15,070 --> 01:27:13,199
again

2175
01:27:17,510 --> 01:27:15,080
it is not my ideas that

2176
01:27:20,149 --> 01:27:17,520
extraterrestrials they move stone around

2177
01:27:22,950 --> 01:27:20,159
no they never made their hands dirty

2178
01:27:23,910 --> 01:27:22,960
they simply ordered to our forefathers

2179
01:27:25,750 --> 01:27:23,920
please

2180
01:27:28,229 --> 01:27:25,760
bring these stones there and there maybe

2181
01:27:30,950 --> 01:27:28,239
they helped them how it was easier to

2182
01:27:32,390 --> 01:27:30,960
move them because they know exactly in

2183
01:27:34,950 --> 01:27:32,400
the far future

2184
01:27:37,030 --> 01:27:34,960
mankind will find out that this is

2185
01:27:38,629 --> 01:27:37,040
geometry

2186
01:27:39,910 --> 01:27:38,639
is that why we

2187
01:27:42,390 --> 01:27:39,920
kind of

2188
01:27:46,070 --> 01:27:42,400
interview yes continue

2189
01:27:48,149 --> 01:27:46,080
is that why as a culture or as a as

2190
01:27:50,950 --> 01:27:48,159
humanity we really don't have any

2191
01:27:52,950 --> 01:27:50,960
recollection recollection of why they

2192
01:27:55,750 --> 01:27:52,960
were built in the first place why we

2193
01:27:58,310 --> 01:27:55,760
erected these stones why we erected

2194
01:28:01,590 --> 01:27:58,320
monoliths why we you know have these

2195
01:28:03,510 --> 01:28:01,600
standing stones around the world

2196
01:28:06,790 --> 01:28:03,520
that's exactly the point

2197
01:28:09,350 --> 01:28:06,800
it was not made by coincidence it was

2198
01:28:12,070 --> 01:28:09,360
not made because of some calendar

2199
01:28:15,110 --> 01:28:12,080
including stonehenge it has all the

2200
01:28:17,669 --> 01:28:15,120
meaning which goes back to the so-called

2201
01:28:19,510 --> 01:28:17,679
gods which were the extraterrestrials

2202
01:28:21,990 --> 01:28:19,520
some thousands of years ago

2203
01:28:23,990 --> 01:28:22,000
it is not coincidence it is made on

2204
01:28:25,350 --> 01:28:24,000
purpose

2205
01:28:28,470 --> 01:28:25,360
the reason is

2206
01:28:30,310 --> 01:28:28,480
that we humans in modern time in the

2207
01:28:31,430 --> 01:28:30,320
time of aircraft in the time of

2208
01:28:34,550 --> 01:28:31,440
measuring

2209
01:28:36,790 --> 01:28:34,560
that we recognize of a sudden hey

2210
01:28:39,430 --> 01:28:36,800
something is wrong here on this planet

2211
01:28:41,350 --> 01:28:39,440
and this does not fit to the stone age

2212
01:28:42,390 --> 01:28:41,360
our stonehenge primitive stone age

2213
01:28:44,310 --> 01:28:42,400
forefathers

2214
01:28:45,910 --> 01:28:44,320
so we have to ask new questions the

2215
01:28:47,270 --> 01:28:45,920
facts are here

2216
01:28:49,990 --> 01:28:47,280
on the ground

2217
01:28:53,510 --> 01:28:50,000
on the land and not only there they are

2218
01:28:56,629 --> 01:28:53,520
also here in uh in the holy scriptures

2219
01:28:59,189 --> 01:28:56,639
they're they're in every culture i i

2220
01:29:00,950 --> 01:28:59,199
have to ask you i remember seeing i i

2221
01:29:02,790 --> 01:29:00,960
think it was in in

2222
01:29:04,550 --> 01:29:02,800
search of ancient history i i don't even

2223
01:29:06,390 --> 01:29:04,560
remember the name of the show is you

2224
01:29:09,270 --> 01:29:06,400
know from the 70s

2225
01:29:11,830 --> 01:29:09,280
and you were on the show and they showed

2226
01:29:13,669 --> 01:29:11,840
the lines of nazca and i have to tell

2227
01:29:17,430 --> 01:29:13,679
you it it i

2228
01:29:19,430 --> 01:29:17,440
i held my breath i was just so shocked

2229
01:29:21,830 --> 01:29:19,440
by those images

2230
01:29:23,750 --> 01:29:21,840
when you went there for the first time

2231
01:29:26,390 --> 01:29:23,760
what was your impression of history can

2232
01:29:30,629 --> 01:29:26,400
you make me play maybe interview sorry

2233
01:29:33,590 --> 01:29:30,639
yes i was first in nazca in 1959

2234
01:29:35,910 --> 01:29:33,600
natsuka was not known at that time only

2235
01:29:37,270 --> 01:29:35,920
a few persons knew that there are some

2236
01:29:40,870 --> 01:29:37,280
lines in the ground

2237
01:29:43,189 --> 01:29:40,880
now really in it on television and even

2238
01:29:46,229 --> 01:29:43,199
in the so-called scientific books

2239
01:29:47,830 --> 01:29:46,239
i read some nonsense about nazca this is

2240
01:29:50,470 --> 01:29:47,840
incredible

2241
01:29:53,110 --> 01:29:50,480
the real pictures of nazca are never

2242
01:29:56,790 --> 01:29:53,120
shown on television nowhere you find

2243
01:29:58,870 --> 01:29:56,800
them only in my book nazca is a mystery

2244
01:30:01,030 --> 01:29:58,880
first of all when you are on the ground

2245
01:30:03,510 --> 01:30:01,040
of nazca it's just a desert like other

2246
01:30:06,550 --> 01:30:03,520
deserts there are black stones black and

2247
01:30:09,110 --> 01:30:06,560
brown stones and brown sand soon as you

2248
01:30:11,590 --> 01:30:09,120
fly a leader a little over the desert of

2249
01:30:14,149 --> 01:30:11,600
nazca the first thing you see are

2250
01:30:17,830 --> 01:30:14,159
figures figures in the sand scratched

2251
01:30:20,790 --> 01:30:17,840
out figures like fishes monkeys spiders

2252
01:30:21,669 --> 01:30:20,800
spiders and so on then you fly higher

2253
01:30:23,110 --> 01:30:21,679
again

2254
01:30:26,709 --> 01:30:23,120
then you see

2255
01:30:29,830 --> 01:30:26,719
lines these lines look like airstrips

2256
01:30:33,669 --> 01:30:29,840
they start abruptly they end abruptly

2257
01:30:34,470 --> 01:30:33,679
the longest about it is 3.6 kilometers

2258
01:30:36,870 --> 01:30:34,480
long

2259
01:30:38,709 --> 01:30:36,880
then you go even higher and then you see

2260
01:30:41,430 --> 01:30:38,719
in the middle in the midst of all these

2261
01:30:44,070 --> 01:30:41,440
things figures and lines you see even

2262
01:30:47,189 --> 01:30:44,080
longer lines but these longer lines are

2263
01:30:50,550 --> 01:30:47,199
small about one and a half meter large

2264
01:30:53,510 --> 01:30:50,560
but long the longest of it is 23

2265
01:30:56,629 --> 01:30:53,520
kilometers long crossing hills and

2266
01:30:57,750 --> 01:30:56,639
mountains etc so nazca is a whole

2267
01:31:00,709 --> 01:30:57,760
mystery

2268
01:31:02,709 --> 01:31:00,719
now of course it is possible to make

2269
01:31:05,350 --> 01:31:02,719
small figures in the ground by

2270
01:31:07,669 --> 01:31:05,360
scratching away the surface this is

2271
01:31:10,550 --> 01:31:07,679
absolutely understandable you scratch

2272
01:31:12,550 --> 01:31:10,560
away the the dirty the brown stones and

2273
01:31:14,470 --> 01:31:12,560
then it comes a little brighter a little

2274
01:31:16,790 --> 01:31:14,480
shinier the ground so you can make

2275
01:31:21,030 --> 01:31:16,800
figures out of that but this does not

2276
01:31:24,950 --> 01:31:21,040
explain the gigantic lines sometimes the

2277
01:31:26,550 --> 01:31:24,960
top of a mountain was cut off completely

2278
01:31:28,629 --> 01:31:26,560
cut off and

2279
01:31:31,110 --> 01:31:28,639
they put one of these lines looking like

2280
01:31:33,750 --> 01:31:31,120
an airstrip by the way i never said it

2281
01:31:36,470 --> 01:31:33,760
is an airstrip i always said seen from

2282
01:31:39,910 --> 01:31:36,480
the air it remembers it looks like an

2283
01:31:42,950 --> 01:31:39,920
airstrip i have in my archive around 5

2284
01:31:45,030 --> 01:31:42,960
000 pictures about natsuka and whenever

2285
01:31:46,870 --> 01:31:45,040
they have an archaeologist here and we

2286
01:31:49,030 --> 01:31:46,880
look at these pictures in tolerance of

2287
01:31:51,270 --> 01:31:49,040
the computer they say eric this is

2288
01:31:54,709 --> 01:31:51,280
impossible this is not nazca i say i'm

2289
01:31:57,430 --> 01:31:54,719
sorry this is nazca television has never

2290
01:31:59,669 --> 01:31:57,440
shown the true nazca

2291
01:32:01,669 --> 01:31:59,679
when you talk about these lines the ones

2292
01:32:03,590 --> 01:32:01,679
that look like runways and

2293
01:32:07,830 --> 01:32:03,600
you know in my mind the one that is uh

2294
01:32:10,709 --> 01:32:07,840
the 23 kilometers long are they straight

2295
01:32:12,790 --> 01:32:10,719
i mean if someone is taking a stick and

2296
01:32:15,430 --> 01:32:12,800
carving into the ground you would think

2297
01:32:17,590 --> 01:32:15,440
that they would kind of be crooked and

2298
01:32:20,310 --> 01:32:17,600
be there here and there

2299
01:32:23,030 --> 01:32:20,320
now absolutely straight cutlet like with

2300
01:32:25,990 --> 01:32:23,040
the lineal you know they are just 23

2301
01:32:28,229 --> 01:32:26,000
kilometers over hills and mountains

2302
01:32:29,590 --> 01:32:28,239
nobody has an explained explanation for

2303
01:32:30,950 --> 01:32:29,600
it

2304
01:32:33,270 --> 01:32:30,960
and you see

2305
01:32:35,590 --> 01:32:33,280
we have made some scientific uh

2306
01:32:38,629 --> 01:32:35,600
researches in nazca there is a

2307
01:32:40,470 --> 01:32:38,639
university here in dresden dresden is a

2308
01:32:42,470 --> 01:32:40,480
city in east germany

2309
01:32:44,950 --> 01:32:42,480
and we paid that we i mean the eric

2310
01:32:49,830 --> 01:32:44,960
vandenken society and the eric vandenken

2311
01:32:53,430 --> 01:32:49,840
foundation we pi we paid over 150 000

2312
01:32:55,669 --> 01:32:53,440
euros for the university in dresden to

2313
01:32:58,950 --> 01:32:55,679
make certain measurements at the plane

2314
01:33:01,510 --> 01:32:58,960
of nazca i was asking for example

2315
01:33:03,270 --> 01:33:01,520
is there something which is maybe a

2316
01:33:05,270 --> 01:33:03,280
mineral or whatever which is not

2317
01:33:08,149 --> 01:33:05,280
explainable which should not be on

2318
01:33:10,229 --> 01:33:08,159
natsuka what about the magnetic fields

2319
01:33:13,669 --> 01:33:10,239
has the magnetic field on the earth

2320
01:33:16,229 --> 01:33:13,679
changed in nazca and why etc and the

2321
01:33:19,590 --> 01:33:16,239
fact was the scientific outcome

2322
01:33:21,910 --> 01:33:19,600
we have a change of the magnetic field

2323
01:33:23,990 --> 01:33:21,920
under some of these lines you know these

2324
01:33:26,470 --> 01:33:24,000
lines which are made artificially and

2325
01:33:29,110 --> 01:33:26,480
you can even measure you know about six

2326
01:33:31,990 --> 01:33:29,120
meters under the line there is something

2327
01:33:33,990 --> 01:33:32,000
which influences the magnetic field now

2328
01:33:36,070 --> 01:33:34,000
a normal average reader would say what

2329
01:33:37,430 --> 01:33:36,080
about six meter under the line why don't

2330
01:33:39,430 --> 01:33:37,440
you make a hole

2331
01:33:42,070 --> 01:33:39,440
it's not permitted

2332
01:33:44,870 --> 01:33:42,080
natsuka is one of these walled

2333
01:33:47,270 --> 01:33:44,880
whatever unesco place and you are not

2334
01:33:49,830 --> 01:33:47,280
allowed to scratch on the surface all

2335
01:33:52,470 --> 01:33:49,840
that you can make make is measurements

2336
01:33:55,189 --> 01:33:52,480
from above from the surface you are not

2337
01:33:58,550 --> 01:33:55,199
allowed to make any diggings but we know

2338
01:34:00,950 --> 01:33:58,560
for sure something is wrong in natsuka

2339
01:34:03,750 --> 01:34:00,960
and the scientific community did not

2340
01:34:05,830 --> 01:34:03,760
pick up that case until today

2341
01:34:08,310 --> 01:34:05,840
well and it seems like that whole region

2342
01:34:10,950 --> 01:34:08,320
because we have nazca we have parachutes

2343
01:34:13,270 --> 01:34:10,960
with the the elongated skulls we have

2344
01:34:16,590 --> 01:34:13,280
sexy woman with the

2345
01:34:19,430 --> 01:34:16,600
the carved stones that are

2346
01:34:22,149 --> 01:34:19,440
unexplainable in my mind that whole you

2347
01:34:24,870 --> 01:34:22,159
know the inca trail that whole area is

2348
01:34:26,470 --> 01:34:24,880
just so full of mysteries and i find it

2349
01:34:27,830 --> 01:34:26,480
interesting that no one's really

2350
01:34:28,790 --> 01:34:27,840
exploring it

2351
01:34:31,350 --> 01:34:28,800
well

2352
01:34:33,430 --> 01:34:31,360
we always want to be reasonable we are

2353
01:34:35,110 --> 01:34:33,440
in a society

2354
01:34:38,149 --> 01:34:35,120
which suggests

2355
01:34:40,229 --> 01:34:38,159
be reasonable for example

2356
01:34:41,990 --> 01:34:40,239
normal astronomers say

2357
01:34:43,990 --> 01:34:42,000
and they are correct

2358
01:34:46,229 --> 01:34:44,000
between the stars is such and such a

2359
01:34:49,750 --> 01:34:46,239
distance this distance is measured in

2360
01:34:52,470 --> 01:34:49,760
light ears it is not possible to

2361
01:34:55,590 --> 01:34:52,480
move the light ears from one

2362
01:34:57,950 --> 01:34:55,600
star to another so this is reasonable if

2363
01:35:00,470 --> 01:34:57,960
you have this in your mind you say why

2364
01:35:02,790 --> 01:35:00,480
extraterrestrials they should never have

2365
01:35:03,750 --> 01:35:02,800
been able to visit us even if they do

2366
01:35:06,390 --> 01:35:03,760
exist

2367
01:35:09,270 --> 01:35:06,400
or in the scientific community you say

2368
01:35:10,950 --> 01:35:09,280
if extraterrestrials exist they would

2369
01:35:13,430 --> 01:35:10,960
look completely different than the

2370
01:35:16,390 --> 01:35:13,440
humans because evolution on another

2371
01:35:19,189 --> 01:35:16,400
world grows up completely different and

2372
01:35:21,910 --> 01:35:19,199
this is only partly true because we

2373
01:35:25,030 --> 01:35:21,920
could be the offspring of another

2374
01:35:27,350 --> 01:35:25,040
society like the old holy book said the

2375
01:35:31,030 --> 01:35:27,360
gods created humans according their own

2376
01:35:33,830 --> 01:35:31,040
image so then they are looking similar

2377
01:35:36,149 --> 01:35:33,840
so we always wanted to be reasonable the

2378
01:35:39,669 --> 01:35:36,159
same thing happened in archaeology we

2379
01:35:42,229 --> 01:35:39,679
say stone age people made that and that

2380
01:35:45,669 --> 01:35:42,239
temple and in most of the cases it's

2381
01:35:47,590 --> 01:35:45,679
correct but nobody asks more questions

2382
01:35:51,030 --> 01:35:47,600
when i have come the first time up to

2383
01:35:54,070 --> 01:35:51,040
pumapunku pumapunku is in bolivia in

2384
01:35:56,070 --> 01:35:54,080
highland is about 4 000 meter high

2385
01:35:58,870 --> 01:35:56,080
there we have a temple where you

2386
01:36:02,229 --> 01:35:58,880
immediately realize this temple was made

2387
01:36:05,189 --> 01:36:02,239
by humans it's human stone cutting it's

2388
01:36:07,430 --> 01:36:05,199
chiseling etc but just a few kilometers

2389
01:36:10,870 --> 01:36:07,440
away you find other

2390
01:36:14,790 --> 01:36:10,880
stones in in the ground which are cut in

2391
01:36:18,229 --> 01:36:14,800
such a precise work with small lines

2392
01:36:21,310 --> 01:36:18,239
grooves etc that it is impossible for

2393
01:36:24,070 --> 01:36:21,320
stone age people to do it you even find

2394
01:36:26,870 --> 01:36:24,080
prefabricated blocks that means like

2395
01:36:29,430 --> 01:36:26,880
lego lego stones you just can put them

2396
01:36:32,470 --> 01:36:29,440
together that means planning planning

2397
01:36:34,070 --> 01:36:32,480
means writing finally we know how hard

2398
01:36:36,310 --> 01:36:34,080
the stone is you know granite for

2399
01:36:39,030 --> 01:36:36,320
example his heart has the figure number

2400
01:36:41,189 --> 01:36:39,040
eight so if you want to work on granite

2401
01:36:43,030 --> 01:36:41,199
it's such a precise work you need a tool

2402
01:36:45,350 --> 01:36:43,040
which is harder than granite but the

2403
01:36:48,310 --> 01:36:45,360
stone age people had no tools harder

2404
01:36:51,189 --> 01:36:48,320
than granite or we find block which have

2405
01:36:54,070 --> 01:36:51,199
a weight of 80 tons

2406
01:36:57,510 --> 01:36:54,080
stone age people were not able to move

2407
01:36:59,830 --> 01:36:57,520
80 ton blocks platforms from one point

2408
01:37:02,470 --> 01:36:59,840
to the other and then at the same thing

2409
01:37:04,310 --> 01:37:02,480
you always have mythology

2410
01:37:06,790 --> 01:37:04,320
there in pumapunku in the island of

2411
01:37:09,189 --> 01:37:06,800
bolivia when the spanish conquerors come

2412
01:37:11,830 --> 01:37:09,199
up there the indians were all around

2413
01:37:15,430 --> 01:37:11,840
including the ruler of the india the

2414
01:37:17,109 --> 01:37:15,440
inca and the spanish asked the natives

2415
01:37:19,750 --> 01:37:17,119
who has done this

2416
01:37:22,390 --> 01:37:19,760
not even we spanish people would be able

2417
01:37:25,350 --> 01:37:22,400
to make such a precise work we would not

2418
01:37:27,430 --> 01:37:25,360
be able to move to transport such blocks

2419
01:37:31,109 --> 01:37:27,440
and then the natives including the inca

2420
01:37:34,550 --> 01:37:31,119
ruler said it was not us who made this

2421
01:37:36,149 --> 01:37:34,560
it was the gods who made this in one

2422
01:37:38,950 --> 01:37:36,159
simple night

2423
01:37:41,189 --> 01:37:38,960
which gods the gods from the sky the

2424
01:37:44,229 --> 01:37:41,199
gods who were descending with loud smoke

2425
01:37:46,390 --> 01:37:44,239
and fire and troubling from the sky

2426
01:37:49,270 --> 01:37:46,400
the question remains why have the god

2427
01:37:51,510 --> 01:37:49,280
done such thing i i have a possible

2428
01:37:54,709 --> 01:37:51,520
answer

2429
01:37:57,350 --> 01:37:54,719
for example our mountain climber they go

2430
01:37:59,990 --> 01:37:57,360
to the himalaya now you always use a

2431
01:38:02,709 --> 01:38:00,000
base camp you don't want to take all

2432
01:38:05,109 --> 01:38:02,719
your material your stuff your photo

2433
01:38:07,109 --> 01:38:05,119
upper up your your technological stuff

2434
01:38:09,910 --> 01:38:07,119
up to the top of the mountain so you

2435
01:38:11,669 --> 01:38:09,920
make a basic camp the same thing

2436
01:38:13,590 --> 01:38:11,679
happened with extraterrestrials some

2437
01:38:15,830 --> 01:38:13,600
thousands of years ago there was a

2438
01:38:17,990 --> 01:38:15,840
mother spaceship surrounding the earth

2439
01:38:20,310 --> 01:38:18,000
and from the mother spaceship smaller

2440
01:38:21,990 --> 01:38:20,320
vehicle have come down to the earth

2441
01:38:24,870 --> 01:38:22,000
today in america you would call them

2442
01:38:28,070 --> 01:38:24,880
space shuttles from these space shuttles

2443
01:38:30,709 --> 01:38:28,080
again smaller vehicles came out like on

2444
01:38:34,229 --> 01:38:30,719
the moon we have had the landing robot

2445
01:38:37,189 --> 01:38:34,239
we had the moon car etc and now the

2446
01:38:39,990 --> 01:38:37,199
nazis another the extraterrestrials they

2447
01:38:42,790 --> 01:38:40,000
start to make their ethnological

2448
01:38:45,189 --> 01:38:42,800
exploration but at certain places they

2449
01:38:47,270 --> 01:38:45,199
say stop here we stay for two or three

2450
01:38:49,030 --> 01:38:47,280
years we want to study the natives there

2451
01:38:51,910 --> 01:38:49,040
is a tribe we want to teach them a

2452
01:38:53,430 --> 01:38:51,920
little and now they start to create a

2453
01:38:55,030 --> 01:38:53,440
base camp

2454
01:38:57,669 --> 01:38:55,040
for themselves

2455
01:39:00,149 --> 01:38:57,679
base camp where they can deposit their

2456
01:39:03,350 --> 01:39:00,159
high technology so that it is not uh

2457
01:39:04,950 --> 01:39:03,360
destroyed by by animals or by by the

2458
01:39:06,870 --> 01:39:04,960
weather etc

2459
01:39:09,350 --> 01:39:06,880
that's the the solution

2460
01:39:11,510 --> 01:39:09,360
later the guards disappear and what is

2461
01:39:13,669 --> 01:39:11,520
left is the base camp and now the

2462
01:39:16,709 --> 01:39:13,679
natives came and the nazis look with

2463
01:39:19,910 --> 01:39:16,719
their eyes to this perfectly cutted

2464
01:39:21,750 --> 01:39:19,920
stone and they say the gods made it we

2465
01:39:25,109 --> 01:39:21,760
are not able to do it and now the

2466
01:39:27,350 --> 01:39:25,119
natives start to create a temple at the

2467
01:39:28,390 --> 01:39:27,360
same place because it has become a holy

2468
01:39:31,590 --> 01:39:28,400
place

2469
01:39:33,830 --> 01:39:31,600
so we have two different things to see

2470
01:39:36,070 --> 01:39:33,840
the technology of the extraterrestrials

2471
01:39:38,310 --> 01:39:36,080
which was not stone age technology and

2472
01:39:41,109 --> 01:39:38,320
the technology of our stone age people

2473
01:39:43,270 --> 01:39:41,119
which we can perfectly understand

2474
01:39:45,830 --> 01:39:43,280
is that what you think was going on at

2475
01:39:48,470 --> 01:39:45,840
belback where we have those

2476
01:39:53,270 --> 01:39:50,470
yeah balbeck is in lebanon

2477
01:39:55,109 --> 01:39:53,280
no today no tourists can go to balbach

2478
01:39:56,790 --> 01:39:55,119
anymore at least at the moment because

2479
01:39:59,669 --> 01:39:56,800
they still have this war there you know

2480
01:40:03,109 --> 01:39:59,679
this this islamic and arabic war there

2481
01:40:06,390 --> 01:40:03,119
but baal balbik has a gigantic terrace

2482
01:40:10,550 --> 01:40:06,400
absolutely giganti their stone block

2483
01:40:14,550 --> 01:40:10,560
were moved of 900 tons

2484
01:40:16,629 --> 01:40:14,560
imagine this 900 tons and not one

2485
01:40:20,149 --> 01:40:16,639
about 60 of it

2486
01:40:23,910 --> 01:40:20,159
this is not a flat landscapes it's hill

2487
01:40:27,270 --> 01:40:23,920
and mountains so we have no idea how

2488
01:40:29,750 --> 01:40:27,280
stone age people could have moved 90 ton

2489
01:40:32,310 --> 01:40:29,760
blocks over over hills

2490
01:40:34,149 --> 01:40:32,320
but the legend again says in the

2491
01:40:36,709 --> 01:40:34,159
beginning this was the place of the

2492
01:40:39,510 --> 01:40:36,719
guards from here they have came down

2493
01:40:42,229 --> 01:40:39,520
from the sky and from here they started

2494
01:40:44,629 --> 01:40:42,239
later the babylonians and later the

2495
01:40:45,990 --> 01:40:44,639
romans constructed the temple at the

2496
01:40:48,870 --> 01:40:46,000
same place

2497
01:40:51,189 --> 01:40:48,880
but the beginning the oldest was not the

2498
01:40:52,950 --> 01:40:51,199
temple the oldest was a terrace a

2499
01:40:56,390 --> 01:40:52,960
platform of balbach

2500
01:40:58,310 --> 01:40:56,400
put together of gigantic stones

2501
01:40:59,350 --> 01:40:58,320
gigantic stones

2502
01:41:01,750 --> 01:40:59,360
um

2503
01:41:03,669 --> 01:41:01,760
if you were to pick and i this might be

2504
01:41:04,950 --> 01:41:03,679
a hard question to answer i mean easy

2505
01:41:08,070 --> 01:41:04,960
but hard

2506
01:41:11,030 --> 01:41:08,080
if you were to pick one group

2507
01:41:13,390 --> 01:41:11,040
whose art myth and culture clearly

2508
01:41:15,750 --> 01:41:13,400
demonstrates that we were visited by

2509
01:41:17,830 --> 01:41:15,760
extraterrestrials in the past who would

2510
01:41:20,550 --> 01:41:17,840
you

2511
01:41:22,470 --> 01:41:20,560
i have two possibilities one are the

2512
01:41:24,870 --> 01:41:22,480
holy scriptures and the others are the

2513
01:41:27,109 --> 01:41:24,880
hard facts something which every

2514
01:41:29,910 --> 01:41:27,119
everyone can see with his eyes in the

2515
01:41:33,750 --> 01:41:29,920
holy scriptures we have a book called

2516
01:41:37,270 --> 01:41:33,760
the book of enoch it comes from ethiopia

2517
01:41:40,310 --> 01:41:37,280
and there is a man his name was enoch he

2518
01:41:43,590 --> 01:41:40,320
clearly writes in the first person that

2519
01:41:47,109 --> 01:41:43,600
means eyewitness person what happened at

2520
01:41:50,550 --> 01:41:47,119
his time he was taken up by beings he

2521
01:41:54,149 --> 01:41:50,560
says they were not from this earth they

2522
01:41:56,070 --> 01:41:54,159
did not breed like humans did etc he

2523
01:41:57,590 --> 01:41:56,080
came up to what today we would call

2524
01:42:00,709 --> 01:41:57,600
another spaceship

2525
01:42:03,830 --> 01:42:00,719
he learned their language they teached

2526
01:42:06,390 --> 01:42:03,840
him in astronomy in calendar etc and

2527
01:42:08,470 --> 01:42:06,400
then they brought him back so parts of

2528
01:42:09,669 --> 01:42:08,480
the book of enoch are absolutely

2529
01:42:12,229 --> 01:42:09,679
convincing

2530
01:42:14,709 --> 01:42:12,239
if we go to the heart facts you must go

2531
01:42:17,189 --> 01:42:14,719
to mexico to palenque

2532
01:42:19,990 --> 01:42:17,199
palenque is one of the maya cities and

2533
01:42:22,470 --> 01:42:20,000
in palenque is one of the temple called

2534
01:42:24,870 --> 01:42:22,480
the temple of inscriptions because there

2535
01:42:26,870 --> 01:42:24,880
were over 800 inscriptions found there

2536
01:42:27,669 --> 01:42:26,880
in 1952

2537
01:42:30,950 --> 01:42:27,679
then

2538
01:42:35,669 --> 01:42:30,960
under the temple professor dr rutz

2539
01:42:38,629 --> 01:42:35,679
found a secret tomb a grave and

2540
01:42:41,910 --> 01:42:38,639
in this this grave was covered with a

2541
01:42:45,750 --> 01:42:41,920
large tombstone i say large because

2542
01:42:48,390 --> 01:42:45,760
there is 3 meter 8 is long 2 meter 20

2543
01:42:51,910 --> 01:42:48,400
large that's quite quite one block and

2544
01:42:53,030 --> 01:42:51,920
on this block chiseled out an incredible

2545
01:42:55,430 --> 01:42:53,040
picture

2546
01:42:58,870 --> 01:42:55,440
you see something like a frame

2547
01:43:01,510 --> 01:42:58,880
and inside this frame a man is sitting

2548
01:43:04,629 --> 01:43:01,520
bending forward almost like a rising

2549
01:43:07,990 --> 01:43:04,639
motorcyclist he has some mask on his

2550
01:43:10,390 --> 01:43:08,000
nose like an oxygen mask and he clearly

2551
01:43:12,550 --> 01:43:10,400
uses his two hands to manipulate some

2552
01:43:15,109 --> 01:43:12,560
controls you even see the

2553
01:43:18,229 --> 01:43:15,119
the finger of his left hand who is

2554
01:43:21,109 --> 01:43:18,239
putting an up he sits on a chair and

2555
01:43:24,629 --> 01:43:21,119
then behind him out of the frame you see

2556
01:43:27,750 --> 01:43:24,639
a linking flam like fire coming out

2557
01:43:30,950 --> 01:43:27,760
now in maya archaeology it was clear

2558
01:43:32,950 --> 01:43:30,960
that this stone represents pakal and

2559
01:43:35,910 --> 01:43:32,960
this is correct because we have the

2560
01:43:39,030 --> 01:43:35,920
writings of pakal on the stone packal

2561
01:43:41,510 --> 01:43:39,040
was the second last ruler of palenque

2562
01:43:45,109 --> 01:43:41,520
but in the past archaeologists always

2563
01:43:47,990 --> 01:43:45,119
thought that paccal is just descending

2564
01:43:50,870 --> 01:43:48,000
into the earth he's falling into the

2565
01:43:53,030 --> 01:43:50,880
earth and out of his body is something

2566
01:43:56,390 --> 01:43:53,040
like the tree of life or the cross of

2567
01:43:59,830 --> 01:43:56,400
life now in modern time and this is just

2568
01:44:02,070 --> 01:43:59,840
two years ago professor dr stewart by

2569
01:44:04,310 --> 01:44:02,080
the way from the united states he is the

2570
01:44:08,870 --> 01:44:04,320
best the newest and the modern most

2571
01:44:12,149 --> 01:44:08,880
modern uh professor who can read uh maya

2572
01:44:14,229 --> 01:44:12,159
scripture he says no it is paco that's

2573
01:44:16,070 --> 01:44:14,239
true but papa is not falling into the

2574
01:44:18,229 --> 01:44:16,080
earth and it has nothing to do with the

2575
01:44:21,990 --> 01:44:18,239
tree of life or the cross of life

2576
01:44:24,310 --> 01:44:22,000
pacquiao is driving out to the sky

2577
01:44:26,790 --> 01:44:24,320
to the universe it all has to do with

2578
01:44:29,590 --> 01:44:26,800
universe and which stars so our meaning

2579
01:44:30,709 --> 01:44:29,600
has changed and if you stand before the

2580
01:44:33,510 --> 01:44:30,719
stone

2581
01:44:36,310 --> 01:44:33,520
you go to the internet palenque palenque

2582
01:44:37,430 --> 01:44:36,320
platform you will find it or you see our

2583
01:44:39,990 --> 01:44:37,440
television

2584
01:44:42,310 --> 01:44:40,000
ancient aliens has showed it it's

2585
01:44:46,470 --> 01:44:42,320
fantastic you are just shocked and this

2586
01:44:49,109 --> 01:44:46,480
piece of stone is thousands of years old

2587
01:44:51,510 --> 01:44:49,119
well and it seems very congruent when

2588
01:44:53,510 --> 01:44:51,520
you look at cultures around the world

2589
01:44:57,189 --> 01:44:53,520
they're always taking some kind of a

2590
01:45:00,470 --> 01:44:57,199
boat or something when they die to get

2591
01:45:03,830 --> 01:45:00,480
back to the heavens or to transcend into

2592
01:45:06,709 --> 01:45:03,840
the next world of course this is the

2593
01:45:08,709 --> 01:45:06,719
same thing happens with the old egyptian

2594
01:45:11,430 --> 01:45:08,719
in old egypt we had the so-called

2595
01:45:13,750 --> 01:45:11,440
pyramid texts they date back to the

2596
01:45:16,470 --> 01:45:13,760
pyramid of unas for example the 5th

2597
01:45:20,830 --> 01:45:16,480
dynasty back to the certainty

2598
01:45:22,910 --> 01:45:20,840
in in years that means about

2599
01:45:27,990 --> 01:45:22,920
2600 bc

2600
01:45:31,189 --> 01:45:28,000
2700 bc so from today about 4 700 years

2601
01:45:34,229 --> 01:45:31,199
and the walls of these tombs are full

2602
01:45:36,950 --> 01:45:34,239
with texts with hieroglyphs and we were

2603
01:45:39,350 --> 01:45:36,960
able to translate these high rifts and

2604
01:45:42,709 --> 01:45:39,360
there we find incredible thing some of

2605
01:45:45,430 --> 01:45:42,719
the pharaoh says you god you took me

2606
01:45:48,709 --> 01:45:45,440
with your ship into the sky i was

2607
01:45:51,350 --> 01:45:48,719
flowing over the earth etc but in the

2608
01:45:54,070 --> 01:45:51,360
past we always interpreted these

2609
01:45:57,750 --> 01:45:54,080
translations as psychological

2610
01:46:00,629 --> 01:45:57,760
explanations it's just a wish or a dream

2611
01:46:04,070 --> 01:46:00,639
of the king after he's dead

2612
01:46:07,030 --> 01:46:04,080
in reality it is was not a dream he

2613
01:46:10,390 --> 01:46:07,040
simply spoke about facts which happened

2614
01:46:12,550 --> 01:46:10,400
at each time he was taken up for a ride

2615
01:46:16,149 --> 01:46:12,560
he was flying over the planet he was

2616
01:46:20,149 --> 01:46:16,159
looking down to to his kingdom

2617
01:46:22,709 --> 01:46:20,159
that's why egypt is full of the the the

2618
01:46:25,669 --> 01:46:22,719
sign with the winged sun

2619
01:46:27,430 --> 01:46:25,679
you always see a son who has wing on

2620
01:46:28,550 --> 01:46:27,440
so it's it's always the same thing

2621
01:46:29,669 --> 01:46:28,560
worldwide

2622
01:46:31,590 --> 01:46:29,679
exactly

2623
01:46:34,470 --> 01:46:31,600
i'm gonna shift gears here a little bit

2624
01:46:36,950 --> 01:46:34,480
because we only have so much time and i

2625
01:46:39,510 --> 01:46:36,960
feel i need to ask you this um one

2626
01:46:42,229 --> 01:46:39,520
question that seems reoccurring in this

2627
01:46:44,390 --> 01:46:42,239
phenomena is why

2628
01:46:45,990 --> 01:46:44,400
why did they come here

2629
01:46:47,669 --> 01:46:46,000
any thought that's the best that's the

2630
01:46:49,910 --> 01:46:47,679
best question of all

2631
01:46:51,910 --> 01:46:49,920
i don't know

2632
01:46:54,790 --> 01:46:51,920
we have been making so-called

2633
01:46:57,270 --> 01:46:54,800
brainstorming sessions and we have asked

2634
01:46:59,750 --> 01:46:57,280
the same questions why

2635
01:47:02,070 --> 01:46:59,760
we have come to about 15 possible

2636
01:47:03,750 --> 01:47:02,080
answers and we have no

2637
01:47:05,350 --> 01:47:03,760
final answer

2638
01:47:06,709 --> 01:47:05,360
but i think

2639
01:47:10,310 --> 01:47:06,719
it is

2640
01:47:13,750 --> 01:47:10,320
part of the intelligent in the universe

2641
01:47:14,870 --> 01:47:13,760
to grow to spread out to multiply

2642
01:47:17,910 --> 01:47:14,880
themselves

2643
01:47:20,790 --> 01:47:17,920
as soon as we find planets which are

2644
01:47:24,550 --> 01:47:20,800
similar planets which are not too hot

2645
01:47:27,510 --> 01:47:24,560
and not too cold planets like our earth

2646
01:47:30,229 --> 01:47:27,520
and in the meantime we know that only in

2647
01:47:33,030 --> 01:47:30,239
our milky way we have about five

2648
01:47:35,030 --> 01:47:33,040
billions of earth-like planets so soon

2649
01:47:36,390 --> 01:47:35,040
as you have planets like this you want

2650
01:47:40,390 --> 01:47:36,400
to spread out

2651
01:47:43,109 --> 01:47:40,400
intelligence like we did it in a

2652
01:47:44,950 --> 01:47:43,119
primitive way on earth in our in our

2653
01:47:47,350 --> 01:47:44,960
colonial times

2654
01:47:50,470 --> 01:47:47,360
one of the things and and i i i think

2655
01:47:52,550 --> 01:47:50,480
it's wonderful to hear this from you

2656
01:47:54,709 --> 01:47:52,560
in all of the writing in all of the

2657
01:47:57,590 --> 01:47:54,719
mythology and all of the

2658
01:47:58,470 --> 01:47:57,600
text or oral law that has come down to

2659
01:47:59,669 --> 01:47:58,480
us

2660
01:48:02,070 --> 01:47:59,679
we don't

2661
01:48:05,510 --> 01:48:02,080
have that answer there's never been any

2662
01:48:07,510 --> 01:48:05,520
insights into why they came why they

2663
01:48:09,830 --> 01:48:07,520
were here what their purpose was other

2664
01:48:12,070 --> 01:48:09,840
than that they they created us that

2665
01:48:14,550 --> 01:48:12,080
seemed pretty clear yeah in ancient

2666
01:48:17,430 --> 01:48:14,560
indian texts in the mahabharata or in

2667
01:48:20,070 --> 01:48:17,440
the vedic text two or three times some

2668
01:48:21,910 --> 01:48:20,080
humans ask their gods

2669
01:48:24,070 --> 01:48:21,920
why have you come here

2670
01:48:27,910 --> 01:48:24,080
what was the reason and the answer was

2671
01:48:30,830 --> 01:48:27,920
always we come here to study you

2672
01:48:33,350 --> 01:48:30,840
so like ethnologists

2673
01:48:35,510 --> 01:48:33,360
interesting interesting

2674
01:48:37,990 --> 01:48:35,520
um you made the statement earlier in the

2675
01:48:39,189 --> 01:48:38,000
interview that they were here and then

2676
01:48:41,910 --> 01:48:39,199
they left

2677
01:48:44,830 --> 01:48:41,920
um so you don't believe that there has

2678
01:48:46,390 --> 01:48:44,840
been visitation over the years since

2679
01:48:48,870 --> 01:48:46,400
antiquity

2680
01:48:51,510 --> 01:48:48,880
oh yes i believe again now

2681
01:48:52,629 --> 01:48:51,520
i was always a very skeptic

2682
01:48:55,669 --> 01:48:52,639
at least for

2683
01:48:58,629 --> 01:48:55,679
at least 30 40 years i was very skeptic

2684
01:49:01,189 --> 01:48:58,639
in the ufo ufo stories because there was

2685
01:49:03,830 --> 01:49:01,199
too many rubbish and nonsense around

2686
01:49:06,229 --> 01:49:03,840
also there were nice and honest people

2687
01:49:08,709 --> 01:49:06,239
but in the meantime i have changed my

2688
01:49:10,310 --> 01:49:08,719
opinion you know some years ago i had

2689
01:49:12,870 --> 01:49:10,320
the chance to

2690
01:49:15,109 --> 01:49:12,880
meet professor dr john mack

2691
01:49:16,950 --> 01:49:15,119
john mack was a harvard professor and he

2692
01:49:19,510 --> 01:49:16,960
would publish the book a book called

2693
01:49:22,310 --> 01:49:19,520
abductions about the abductions of

2694
01:49:25,510 --> 01:49:22,320
humans by extraterrestrials and in the

2695
01:49:27,510 --> 01:49:25,520
last years i had the chance in uh you

2696
01:49:30,709 --> 01:49:27,520
know the contact in the desert joshua

2697
01:49:33,350 --> 01:49:30,719
tree etc to meet wonderful personalities

2698
01:49:35,590 --> 01:49:33,360
who had contact with extraterrestrials

2699
01:49:36,709 --> 01:49:35,600
so for the moment i really start to

2700
01:49:39,510 --> 01:49:36,719
believe

2701
01:49:41,990 --> 01:49:39,520
somebody is observing us again

2702
01:49:44,229 --> 01:49:42,000
somebody is teaching our language

2703
01:49:46,870 --> 01:49:44,239
learning our language somebody is trying

2704
01:49:48,629 --> 01:49:46,880
to find out what are we what political

2705
01:49:50,709 --> 01:49:48,639
systems what religious systems do we

2706
01:49:52,790 --> 01:49:50,719
have they study us maybe they want to

2707
01:49:55,430 --> 01:49:52,800
find out could it be dangerous what kind

2708
01:49:58,870 --> 01:49:55,440
of weapons do we have but something is

2709
01:50:00,070 --> 01:49:58,880
going on in the past 30 years

2710
01:50:02,149 --> 01:50:00,080
and maybe

2711
01:50:04,550 --> 01:50:02,159
they return they are already back and

2712
01:50:06,790 --> 01:50:04,560
they don't show up at the moment

2713
01:50:08,470 --> 01:50:06,800
why do you think we've lost sight of our

2714
01:50:09,430 --> 01:50:08,480
past

2715
01:50:11,830 --> 01:50:09,440
yeah

2716
01:50:13,270 --> 01:50:11,840
it's probably because of

2717
01:50:16,070 --> 01:50:13,280
religion

2718
01:50:17,669 --> 01:50:16,080
but also because of education

2719
01:50:20,950 --> 01:50:17,679
as i said before

2720
01:50:23,189 --> 01:50:20,960
education means scientific education and

2721
01:50:25,990 --> 01:50:23,199
scientific education has to be

2722
01:50:27,229 --> 01:50:26,000
reasonable it has to make sense

2723
01:50:29,910 --> 01:50:27,239
and the

2724
01:50:32,470 --> 01:50:29,920
extraterrestrials for the last two three

2725
01:50:35,189 --> 01:50:32,480
thousand years made no sense

2726
01:50:38,950 --> 01:50:35,199
our science our modern science in maybe

2727
01:50:42,070 --> 01:50:38,960
about about 50 60 or 70 years old

2728
01:50:44,310 --> 01:50:42,080
but and it made no sense to think about

2729
01:50:47,430 --> 01:50:44,320
extraterrestrials but in the meantime

2730
01:50:49,830 --> 01:50:47,440
the situation has changed we know we

2731
01:50:53,430 --> 01:50:49,840
have earth light earth-like planets out

2732
01:50:55,669 --> 01:50:53,440
there we know it is possible to travel

2733
01:50:57,990 --> 01:50:55,679
from start to start in the meantime we

2734
01:51:00,270 --> 01:50:58,000
have an opener mind and we should

2735
01:51:03,030 --> 01:51:00,280
reconsider the wizard of the

2736
01:51:05,510 --> 01:51:03,040
extraterrestrials be it in the deep past

2737
01:51:07,990 --> 01:51:05,520
or be it in present time again we should

2738
01:51:10,070 --> 01:51:08,000
put it on the level of scientific at the

2739
01:51:12,390 --> 01:51:10,080
moment it's not scientific because

2740
01:51:14,310 --> 01:51:12,400
science wants to be reasonable i always

2741
01:51:18,870 --> 01:51:14,320
say to my followers

2742
01:51:25,910 --> 01:51:22,470
well and it seems like today we have

2743
01:51:28,550 --> 01:51:25,920
technology that somewhat parallels or

2744
01:51:30,550 --> 01:51:28,560
rivals what you read about in a lot of

2745
01:51:31,910 --> 01:51:30,560
the ancient stories

2746
01:51:36,070 --> 01:51:31,920
of course

2747
01:51:37,669 --> 01:51:36,080
yes but oh god i have as i said many

2748
01:51:39,430 --> 01:51:37,679
books on the market

2749
01:51:41,030 --> 01:51:39,440
and if you read it

2750
01:51:43,270 --> 01:51:41,040
you sooner or later because you can

2751
01:51:44,709 --> 01:51:43,280
control everything which i write and

2752
01:51:46,790 --> 01:51:44,719
they speak to

2753
01:51:49,430 --> 01:51:46,800
sooner or later you came to the same

2754
01:51:52,310 --> 01:51:49,440
conclusion as i i had a lot of

2755
01:51:55,510 --> 01:51:52,320
scientific criticisms and most of them

2756
01:51:58,149 --> 01:51:55,520
were wonderful and integral personality

2757
01:52:00,470 --> 01:51:58,159
who always thought this is all rubbish

2758
01:52:02,390 --> 01:52:00,480
rubbish what this eric van dyken says

2759
01:52:05,350 --> 01:52:02,400
and then we sit together

2760
01:52:07,830 --> 01:52:05,360
quiet friendly and had a scientific

2761
01:52:10,790 --> 01:52:07,840
discussion and after two hours they

2762
01:52:14,149 --> 01:52:10,800
always said to me eric we didn't know

2763
01:52:18,470 --> 01:52:14,159
this we had no information about this so

2764
01:52:20,950 --> 01:52:18,480
we change our meaning as time change

2765
01:52:23,189 --> 01:52:20,960
do you feel vindicated now that the

2766
01:52:25,109 --> 01:52:23,199
paradigm and

2767
01:52:26,950 --> 01:52:25,119
toward the whole idea of

2768
01:52:28,149 --> 01:52:26,960
extraterrestrials in our past has

2769
01:52:30,310 --> 01:52:28,159
changed

2770
01:52:32,149 --> 01:52:30,320
of course i am happy i mean in the

2771
01:52:32,950 --> 01:52:32,159
meantime i am

2772
01:52:35,270 --> 01:52:32,960
sorry

2773
01:52:37,750 --> 01:52:35,280
nearly 80 years old

2774
01:52:39,830 --> 01:52:37,760
my brain works perfect i'm still

2775
01:52:42,310 --> 01:52:39,840
traveling and by the way i will be in

2776
01:52:44,629 --> 01:52:42,320
the united states this year at least

2777
01:52:46,229 --> 01:52:44,639
twice one is this contact in the desert

2778
01:52:47,510 --> 01:52:46,239
you know joshua tree

2779
01:52:49,030 --> 01:52:47,520
on on

2780
01:52:51,189 --> 01:52:49,040
may 29

2781
01:52:54,229 --> 01:52:51,199
9 and the other visit in the united

2782
01:52:57,189 --> 01:52:54,239
states is the edgar gays ira in virginia

2783
01:53:01,030 --> 01:52:57,199
beach in the end of october so

2784
01:53:04,550 --> 01:53:01,040
i am happy that i am invited worldwide

2785
01:53:06,390 --> 01:53:04,560
and uh they present me as a sort of a

2786
01:53:09,990 --> 01:53:06,400
living legend

2787
01:53:11,589 --> 01:53:10,000
you're a man that needs no introduction

2788
01:53:14,390 --> 01:53:11,599
in my mind

2789
01:53:16,950 --> 01:53:14,400
let me ask you this one last question

2790
01:53:19,109 --> 01:53:16,960
your work has influenced millions of

2791
01:53:22,149 --> 01:53:19,119
people around the world

2792
01:53:25,669 --> 01:53:22,159
what do you hope your legacy will be in

2793
01:53:28,629 --> 01:53:25,679
20 50 100 years from now

2794
01:53:31,270 --> 01:53:28,639
i hope that this what i started with

2795
01:53:32,709 --> 01:53:31,280
this will never die again

2796
01:53:35,510 --> 01:53:32,719
in the meantime

2797
01:53:38,149 --> 01:53:35,520
too many other authors around the world

2798
01:53:40,310 --> 01:53:38,159
and absolutely integral personalities

2799
01:53:41,830 --> 01:53:40,320
have come up with their book and with

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01:53:44,550 --> 01:53:41,840
similar stories

2801
01:53:47,750 --> 01:53:44,560
also now on the market we have the first

2802
01:53:50,390 --> 01:53:47,760
scientific books written by scientists

2803
01:53:52,629 --> 01:53:50,400
of their special branch for example from

2804
01:53:55,750 --> 01:53:52,639
philosophy or from the technological

2805
01:53:58,149 --> 01:53:55,760
point of sale so i think what i started

2806
01:54:01,270 --> 01:53:58,159
will not die out anymore

2807
01:54:02,629 --> 01:54:01,280
if they called me later in 25 years i

2808
01:54:04,950 --> 01:54:02,639
was a fool

2809
01:54:06,229 --> 01:54:04,960
or i had just had enough fantasy it

2810
01:54:08,790 --> 01:54:06,239
doesn't matter

2811
01:54:10,550 --> 01:54:08,800
important is that we learn

2812
01:54:12,950 --> 01:54:10,560
this planet was visited by

2813
01:54:15,830 --> 01:54:12,960
extraterrestrials in the d past they

2814
01:54:18,310 --> 01:54:15,840
promised to return and they will return

2815
01:54:21,109 --> 01:54:18,320
well and i i think that's going to be a

2816
01:54:23,750 --> 01:54:21,119
very interesting day you know if they're

2817
01:54:25,910 --> 01:54:23,760
not already here you know if the contact

2818
01:54:27,830 --> 01:54:25,920
that people are having

2819
01:54:30,629 --> 01:54:27,840
is in contact with

2820
01:54:31,830 --> 01:54:30,639
these gods that we were in contact with

2821
01:54:33,990 --> 01:54:31,840
before

2822
01:54:35,109 --> 01:54:34,000
i would exclude nothing everything is

2823
01:54:37,910 --> 01:54:35,119
possible

2824
01:54:39,589 --> 01:54:37,920
yeah um okay all right eric i i know

2825
01:54:41,910 --> 01:54:39,599
that you have a lot going on you have a

2826
01:54:43,830 --> 01:54:41,920
lot on your plate so i'm gonna go ahead

2827
01:54:45,910 --> 01:54:43,840
and let you go

2828
01:54:48,950 --> 01:54:45,920
thank you so much for coming on and

2829
01:54:50,390 --> 01:54:48,960
spending time with me you have made my

2830
01:54:54,390 --> 01:54:50,400
day

2831
01:54:56,390 --> 01:54:54,400
i have been happy to be able to talk to

2832
01:54:59,030 --> 01:54:56,400
you and to that you give me the chance

2833
01:55:01,189 --> 01:54:59,040
to talk to me please tell the people in

2834
01:55:04,550 --> 01:55:01,199
the united states when i'm in the united

2835
01:55:07,030 --> 01:55:04,560
states again so on the 29th of may in uh

2836
01:55:09,189 --> 01:55:07,040
contacting visit joshua tree and edgar

2837
01:55:12,390 --> 01:55:09,199
geisha's place in virginia beach 9th to

2838
01:55:14,790 --> 01:55:12,400
11th october bye bye and thank you

2839
01:55:17,270 --> 01:55:14,800
okay thank you very much all right

2840
01:55:19,750 --> 01:55:17,280
bye-bye thank you good job

2841
01:55:23,270 --> 01:55:19,760
that's eric von daniken the author of

2842
01:55:26,470 --> 01:55:23,280
chariots of the gods in 54 other books

2843
01:55:28,390 --> 01:55:26,480
his website is danican.com

2844
01:55:30,950 --> 01:55:28,400
and next week we're going to be speaking

2845
01:55:34,149 --> 01:55:30,960
with larry scranton about the point of

2846
01:55:37,910 --> 01:55:34,159
origin until the next till next time i'm